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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[5][6][7][8] It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate",[9] and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings.[10] The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomic Wondermark by David Malki,[1] which The Independent called "the most apt description of Twitter you'll ever see".[2]

Sealions are adorable animals. the trolls, not so much. If you see an example of sealioning, feel free to post it here!

Quick example would be something like a person saying "the US is currently ran by a fascist who supports genocide", which is referring to Donald Trump supporting Israel. The sealion will reply with "who? What genocide?" the sealion knows what the person means but pursues them for relentless requests of evidence as a way of trying to waste the person's time. recognising sealioning is the most effective means of dealing with them

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Motte and bailey fallacy (simple.wikipedia.org)

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The motte-and-bailey fallacy is a way of arguing where someone uses two different ideas that seem similar but are not the same. One idea (the "motte") is easy to defend and not very controversial. The other (the "bailey") is more controversial and harder to defend. When someone argues for the controversial idea but gets challenged, they switch to defending the less controversial one. This makes it look like their original point is still valid, even though they are now arguing something different.

History and Name This fallacy (incorrect argument in logic and rhetoric) is named after a type of medieval castle called a motte-and-bailey. Nicholas Shackel, a philosopher, first talked about this fallacy in 2005.[1] He compared it to the castle's defense strategy. In a motte-and-bailey castle, there's a stone tower on a hill (the motte) and a land area around it (the bailey). If attackers come, people in the castle retreat to the motte, which is easier to defend. Similarly, in the fallacy, the arguer retreats to the easier-to-defend idea when their main idea is attacked.

not an example of sealioning but the Motte-and-bailey fallacy is something I've seen trolls do in arguments and thought this'd be helpful

People explain how Trump has fascist values Sealion: "How is that fascism?" (lemmings.world)

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Reddit sealion is skeptical of a genocide (lemmings.world)

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