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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/27899425

Just some North Korea shit, nothing to see here. Move along.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So a perfect time for a military coup? 🤞

[–] imrighthere 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the military is fine with trump.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Please, I have only so little hope left

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As much as we would love to believe the officer's oath (and the enlisted oath, diluted as it is by the president clause) carries water and protects us, the historical precedent of militaries says troops are loyal to their paychecks and, to a somewhat lesser extent, benefits. As long as the soldiers continue to be financially compensated, they won't rebel and will actively work against rebellions. When they stop being compensated, they'll become passive and will step aside for a rebellion. Some may even defect and join the rebellion, but only if they think its success will benefit them. Sorry to be cynical, but without a strong charismatic and revered general or admiral to follow, troops will never self-activate to "defend their oath."

Look up the fall of Samuel Doe in Liberia or the Vodka rebellion leading up to Kerensky's coup in Russia. The military is ever just hired goons. If the military were truly a circuit breaker against illegal autocracy, then they'd be doing exercises and drills to train for the day they'd have to "defend the constitution" from a domestic threat. To my knowledge, no such "uncoup the coup" drill has ever been conducted.

[–] Fiivemacs 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Didn't they all just see their retirements get obliterated before even becoming vets?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Yeah, he just gutted the VA along with everything else.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

How so? As far as I know, the 20-year pension plan is still in place. And yeah, the TSP equity funds were affected, but you'd be surprised how ignorant and apathetic a huge portion of military members are about the TSP and completely unaware of vehicles like the Roth IRA. Plus, that's all future money, in some case far future. Much less personal impact, as it's easier to think only about the present. That's why many aren't getting all worked up about loss of earned benefits that will only matter years from now once they've been discharged. Plus, many Jr enlisted don't have enough discretionary income to even contribute to a TSP on a meaningful level.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

To my knowledge, no such “uncoup the coup” drill has ever been conducted.

Why would it be expected that you would have knowledge of such a thing?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I'd wager my odds of knowing are better than that of the average person, but it's true, lack of knowledge does not represent lack of existence. It would be nice if some special units somewhere train exactly for that scenario.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

I don't think that's an accurate statement. Maybe most of the enlisted people are, but a very large percentage of the officers hate him. He is their commanding officer, and they openly insult him. They ridicule him constantly and talk about how terrible his decisions are. They joke about how stupid the SecDef's plans are. And they do all this in front of their superior officers.

The officers make an oath about defending the constitution, but they also hold very strongly to their duty to protect the people they command. Trump puts those people in jeopardy for no damn reason, so many hate him for that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Literally the worst case scenario, idk why people want that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They hope someone will else do it for them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The one out last weekend, and in the weeks to come, protesting. The people the government derives it's power from the consent of. If all else fails, all other means are exhausted, and the time comes, you hope the military is on your side but you do NOT hope the military takes initiative to resolve the problem because my guy the interests of the military are not the interests of the citizenry and I would prefer not to live under a military dictatorship thank you very much.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The people the government derives it’s power from the consent of

Do a headcount of which citizens are on which side. Rationality and empathy exist in bubbles, not a sea. Most of the population is really just that plain dumb and/or sadistic and apparently has grown in numbers and magnitude since last time. The side you’re rooting for also will almost always pull their punches whereas the other side simply doesn’t. Give me a deus ex machina fairy tale dream to cling onto because those in power with the big guns and tanks and bombs lust for hurting people and they’ve got the majority of the masses tricked into happily getting themselves and others trampled upon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

If you've already given up idk what to tell you. A military dictatorship is not what you want.