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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Germany was never truly de-Nazified.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago

When are you moving to russia? It is one of the most denazified countries in the world right now, after all.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

I was told by a German person on this very site that they'd never go right wing again because of a unique type of centrism in the country that's hugely popular and that my tiny American brain couldn't comprehend. Oh well, guess that's just another common centrist L.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 46 minutes ago

To be fair, Germany is still far better off than the US or some other European countries. In the national election that just happened, the far right party won about 20% of the votes and the (traditionally) centre-right party won while moving further to the right. That said they're still about as far right as the Democrats in the US.

It's just that Germans are on alert about the rise of fascism and are raising the alarm bells now, before the fascist actually take over control.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I don't want to start a war or anything but as someone from neither the USA or Europe, Europeans online often come across as even more exceptionalist than Americans, despite the reputation to the contrary. Because, at least in leftish or liberal spaces, no one is more ready to shit on and call out the USA than Americans. And I don't mean they're anti-American or whatever, they just want their country to be better, so they call out all the shit.

Europeans on the other hand often seem more proud and / or defensive about their countries. Maybe they speak openly in their own country specific communities but I don't get the sense that they're as open and friendly to outside input or criticism as the Americans are.

The way I see it, we're all hooked onto the same stream of memes and billionaire owned news sources everywhere across the world. So thinking we're immune to being overtaken by dangerous alt right nonsense and ignoring all the obvious signs would be a very stupid move, wherever you are. If they're not taking this seriously, they're doing exactly what the Americans did and have done since 2016.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 minutes ago* (last edited 4 minutes ago)

I have no idea how this can be possible, but europeans are proud of their roots AND want their countries to be better. And there are defensive people AND people openly shitting on their countries.

As if they see both sides of the coin. Or! OR it depends who you talk to!

I am getting a feeling that countries are more than a single person. And Europe, might be more than one country. Just like China has provinces/states. And USA.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago

Centrism is just seeing an elephant about to step on a mouse and trying to make a compromise.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago

to be fair, this is the image the center parties have and upkeep. I, as a farly left person, already question if this seperation to right extremism will still be upheld in 4 years. Our Center-right partie CDU falls more and more for populist rethoric, which reminds me of the republicans or the toris.

So what you have been told is not wrong per se. But there is a significant amount of people in the country and politicans in the parlaiment, that argue the seperation between right exremism and center parties did already collaps behind the scenes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Third time’s a charm!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Fascism is really good for the rich to get richer

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Especially the AfDs Neo-Liberal fascism ^^

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Wouldn't want anything bad to happen to our beloved overlords. 💰OTL

[–] [email protected] 14 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

There are more fucking neo-Nazis in the USA than in Germany. The shit AfD voters come from the Oklahoma and Mississippi of Germany, Thuringia and Saxony.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, sorry, but that is like looking at the map in 1930 from these ones and saying "the NSDAP voters come from East Prussia only, don't complain about the Nazis in Germany!"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Definitely not true. It sounds like you are German and if so it is pretty sad how little you keep up with your own election even though it happened just a few days ago. There are more AfD voters in eastern Germany but most Bundesländer have >18% AfD votes.
People tend to forget that Hitlers NSDAP only needed 18% in 1930 and a rigged election in 1933 to completely take over the country.
Coping doesnt get us anywhere. Its not always "the others" that vote far-right. Its the whole country, the educated just as well as the uneducated, the poor and the rich. Almost everyone has family members or friends that vote far-right and we need to talk to them, try to understand their motives and make them understand that AfD wants to make everything they fear 10 times worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Almost everyone has family members or friends that vote far-right and we need to talk to them

I try. My family calls themselves left of center and liberal, yet no books on Marx but certainly have books on Hitler. My brother who works in finance lauds great mathematicians in history, but he won't read about Einstein's politics because I smoke weed therefore my recommendation is "hard to take seriously." They think the rise of fascism is just media sensationalism, and things are better than ever because "the markets say so / GDP is higher than ever." I try to explain, through the words of economists, that GDP and markets aren't a good measure of wealth disparity, and they accuse me of being envious that I don't have as much money as them. I try to explain that money isn't everything, they roll their eyes like i'm on some hippy-revolutionary kool aid and no different from MAGA. They say I should stop worrying about "the news" and "focus on yourself," meanwhile i'm disabled from hyperthyroidism and they roll their eyes at my pain and immobility like i'm being lazy. They don't read anything, they'll be the first to admit they choose to stay away from politics, while simultaneously acting like they have the most informed and balanced perspective. Fuck "enlightened centrists" they walk and talk just like fascists do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Yes however today there aren't tools available anymore that hitler had to make this happen. Our constitution is now far better protected and isn't as easily dismantled as the Weimar republic's constitution. Still sucks that so many people voted for afd though

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

I heard that argument often, and it's true that the same way and same "we essentially keep the old constitution alive completely and change laws in ways that were technically legal" as back then won't work.

However, fascism - also in the 1930s already - also has strategies like: "Just doing illegal things and overstepping what your posts are allowed to do, knowing you can only be stopped by force, even if judges and your superiors disagree." That one was a massive part of how Hitler quickly outmanoeuvred von Papen, even though Papen was chancellor and Hitler "just" vice chancellor. The NSDAP-adjacent ministers, police chiefs, judges, etc. simply did not report to Papen, no matter what the law and constitution said.

What I am getting at: One should never think the laws on paper are some kind of shield and holy fact, only the laws as the executive (cops and courts, essentially) protects and enacts are what really matters, and those are corruptible, no matter how good the constitution is. (Another often quoted example: The constitution of North Korea also guarantees a lot of freedoms and rights, but no one would say, that protects the people there.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Its better than back then, yes. But you cant know what kind of tricks they would use nowadays before it happens. Look at the US, Trump is doing whatever he wants no matter if its illegal. As long as hes not stopped by force, he will continue doing so.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago

The shit AfD voters come from the Oklahoma and Mississippi of Germany, Thuringia and Saxony.

That's only kinda true. The east has way more Nazis, but just because the AfD is stronger there with 32% of the votes, doesn't change the fact that 18% of West German voters voted for them too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

Both countries are full of neo nazi.

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