Fuuuuuuuuuck.
I'm not surprised.
But still.
this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2025
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Doug lubes up his dick to screw Ontario folks into American style private health care.
Oh.
yay
Disappointing but not particularly surprising and, in my opinion, not necessarily a good oracle about the federal election.
Doug Ford literally just got all the good press of standing up to Trump and looking righteous which swept all the bike lane and greenbelt scandals under the rug.
I'm not sure that the greenbelt scandal or bike lane stupidity carries a lot of weight in most of the province. It should, but I don't think most people care.
Exactly. The 905 probably doesn't even know where those bike lanes are, or where the border of the Greenbelt is. They go on the highway, get to downtown to their office or for a Blue Jays game, either case exit ASAP in fear of the "crazy people downtown" and get back to their house in West Mississauga, and breathe a sigh of relief. For these voters, homeless people don't exist, bike lanes exist only to be cursed on some streets in Mississauga, but at least the streets have 2-3 lanes for them. Healthcare has always been shit and you're not going to the hospital every day. They hear GO train is being improved. They are okay. Their material conditions are fine. No need for change and especially not during uncertainty like the one created by the US clown car.
Oh well, we tried. At least he lost some seats, there wasn't much vote split and the NDP held onto most of their seats (25) with 18% of the vote while the Liberals won 12-14 with 29%. This is the third time in a row where voting Ontario Liberal didn't produce any substantial result. Perhaps it will be the time when a large number of voters flip.
I heard so many people say "i like the NDP but i have to vote liberal or my vote is useless." I say the number of NDP seats is proof that thinking is flawed. It may not have stopped the conservatives from winning but new ideas and fresh faces to fight for them can be progress.
I imagine a system where you get two ballots: your "real" ballot that actually has an effect and your "principled" ballot which is reported separately and has no impact.
I hear people say that and really hope they're talking about recent local polling, and not some vague notion that "the NDP can't win".
My parents think that if I vote, I kill their vote. Good thing I don't live with them, and just lied to my mother via text. Also talked to my NDP MPP, he is very nice and voted for him, I don't think he will get elected though.
That's fucked up.
This thinking is flawed if applied in general without any consideration of the dynamics in a particular riding. I don't know how many people think and vote this way without checking their riding's numbers. Perhaps many. In my riding it was the right move, as the NDP candidate got under 5%. Given how three seats were won by less than 40 votes, I think there's some validity in informed strategic vote. But voting for OLP instead of ONDP "strategically" without checking riding numbers is very much flawed and I hope these people, along with traditional OLP voters would do something else the next time around.
Maybe ndp would have more than 5% of the vote if people picked the candidate they actually want instead of voting strategically.
True if you believe strategic vote is a large proportion. I don't. I believe the majority of voters vote based on party leaders, past preferences, etc. I don't believe strategic vote can make up a 40% difference. I believe strategic vote shift to ONDP would mean PCs stay at 45% while OLP and ONDP get to something closer to 35% and 15%, or 30/20. The PCs still win, with higher margin. That's my guess. For the parties to switch positions in such riding, I believe it'll take significant campaigning by the ONDP candidate as well as Marit Stiles positioning herself as a significantly better leader than whoever heads the OLP, and clear, bold populist policies. If such a change occurs, the informed strategic vote will shift accordingly. If the polls in my riding showed 5-10% advantage for the ONDP I'd have voted for them.
They got party status back and had 10% more of the vote than the NDP. That's a substantial result but they need better, smarter leadership.
Yes it wasn't all for nothing for sure but it's a minimal result for the organizing and voting effort. I'd prefer people to shift to the Ontario NDP instead of working even harder to get the OLP in a better position. Reason being that even if the OLP forms a government, it will likely not be sufficiently different than the PCs as to significantly improve life in the province. We remember Kathleen Wynne, we remember Dalton. Things were better but they still were underfunding healthcare, freezing public wages, sold public assets, and so on. Just less than the PCs. Don't get me wrong I'll take an OLP government any day over PC, but I'll take an ONDP government over either of them. It's why I vote strategically when the fight isn't between ONDP/OLP in my riding. With that said I'm not sure that even the ONDP would do significant enough changes to get people stuck on them for a decade or longer.
I would have loved to vote NDP but in my riding there just isn't much support for them. It's nice to see so many seats go NDP in the province, but it's disheartening losing to PC once again even after they've shown no regard for (what I believe and hope are) the municipality's values. It was at least close between PC and LIB which is the best I can say. But unfortunately, if a large portion of NDP voters voted LIB, they'd have actually won.
Shame.
Mine was also very close PC/OLP with very small proportion to ONDP. I voted OLP in the hope to flip the seat. Failed, but even if all ONDP voters to have helped, the PC candidate would have scraped by a small margin. Can't blame anyone. We tried.π₯Ή
Not even a bit surprised. The average person only looks at the good press and doesn't look at any of the terrible shit he does.