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What episode/season/movie do you consider as the ending in an otherwise long running franchise, and Why? (lemmy.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Episode IV. That's my hill.

NeuTrek. TNG squeeks by, but any Trek with a dysfunctional, corrupt Federation with a Black Ops team is out.

The West Wing, season 4. After Sorkin left it went to shit.

Ren & Stimpy was hit or miss, but really after the first season it fell off a cliff pretty fast.

Nobody's ever done an adaptation of Asimov's The Foundation Trilogy, which is too bad.

TLoTR had 3 movies; everything after has been just a shitty job of milking the success of the first 3. Which is too bad, because Cumberbuzzle was brilliant as Smaug.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Strange New Worlds is great Trek if you haven't seen it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I have. It's not bad, despite my several grievances with it. Mainly the Gorn redesign as cheap knock-offs of Xenomorphs, that Kirk could never have hand-to-handed. And I really, really dislike the whole Spock/nurse Chapel story line. T'Pring was grossly mistreated, and it makes Spock's surprise at her behavior in Amok Time completely out of character: he knew what he did. I'm also not fond of jumping directly to musical episodes in so early; shows usually only do that when they start running out of other ideas. I had to fast-forward through most of that one. I was really unhappy about killing off... who they killed off. I would have preferred almost any other character be sacrificed if they really felt it necessary.

But all that said, there is a lot of good, and I'll keep watching it. I think my biggest gripe is that they picked SNW to continue, over Lower Decks‽ That was bogus; LD was a far better show.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think that Chapel arc s brilliant and it retrospectively fixed part of the TOS that didn't age well, by adding hidden depth to character who was nothing more than a cheep joke.

Also without it we wouldn't get "I'm the X", which is objectively the best thing ever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's not Spock.

I don't understand, and never will, the compulsion to hyper-sexualize the one character who was not perpetually horny.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I believe that idea behind it is that his future TOS restrain is - partially - caused by his unhealed emotional wounds that he gained during his youth.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hmm. We don't see much Vulcan romance in any earlier series, except for the gratuitous "sauna scene" with T'Pol in Enterprise. It's not just Spock.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

One the other hand, we have a lot of evidence that young human males are very horny... I don't think it takes away from original Spock's "maybe I'm suppressing more than I should" arc. It ads to it. And writing prequels is always hard, because your characters can't evolve above certain point. The need to end low, because low is where they started TOS - their journey need to happen there. Most are basically pointless and lead nowhere. Young Sheldon can't learn his lessons and grow because old Sheldon need to start broken.

Having secret "there is more story behind his silence and cold indifference" is a great way to have the arc and not brake the arc.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

24 Season 4 is my version of a happy ending. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the rest of the show, but God damn, Jack didn't deserve that many bad days.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

If we are going into books, the Hyperion series should have ended at 2. The first 2 books are so good! Books 3 and 4 are terrible.

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