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[–] [email protected] 2 points 26 minutes ago

They're literally in the modlog - all you have to do is look.

https://t.lemmy.world/modlog?community=1347

[–] [email protected] 0 points 27 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago) (2 children)

Ok, fine. I didn't want it to come to this, but here we go with a real life example: You're a Nazi!

There. You've been called a nazi. So now, by your logic, you are no longer human and are undeserving of human rights (by definition of no longer being human). Which means you're fair game to whatever I think should happen to you because it doesn't matter since you're not human.

Are you a Nazi? Probably not. But I've decreed it in the comment section, so by your logic I'm allowed to call for your imprisonment, death, or whatever I feel befits a nazi.

Don't like that? Well, you shouldn't have made me think you're a nazi. You dehumanized yourself with your rhetoric.


Ok, with that out of the way: no, I do not think you're a nazi.

No one here is saying nazis are good; no one here is defending them. What I am saying is maybe don't fucking use their tactics of dehumanizing portions of the population.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 43 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago) (1 children)

Possibly, yes. Resistance comes in many flavors. There are benefits to having people inside, whether that is to smuggle information, provide small comforts to those affected, be eyes and ears, etc.

The point is you (nor I) do not know anything about this guy other than the bits in the article, and there is not enough information to merit a response such as "he is not human and deserves imprisonment or worse". I'm not defending him specifically (again, insufficient info), but I am condemning you (and anyone else painting the world in such broad strokes) for throwing out assumptions, espousing dehumanizing rhetoric based upon those assumptions, and the hypocritical advocacy of imprisoning people you deem not human.

TL;DR: You're advocating the same tactics used by those you so abhor on a platform where the demographic calls each other nazis in the comments like it's a cheat code to winning an argument. I've already explained why this rhetoric is dangerous.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Yes, and? Those were not the people the post in question was about. You just unilaterally declared the subject of that post a nazi, decreed that they're not human (dehumanizing), and that they deserved to be imprisoned because of that. When other commenters pointed out how hypocritical your take was, you doubled down.

The only thing the article mentioned about the guy was that he was a Trump voter. Yes, the nazi bar analogy exists but it's also true that some people really are just that stupid or brainwashed or otherwise poisoned by the Kool-Aid. Wsa the guy a piece of shit person? Perhaps. Misinformed? Perhaps. An actual Nazi that deserves to be imprisoned or worse? That's a wee bit of a dangerous stretch given that there was insufficient information to rationally arrive at that conclusion.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (4 children)

I never said they don’t deserve human rights. I’ve said they are not human.

That's literally dehumanizing. I don't know how you think there's a difference. If you decree that someone is not human, then what else can you possibly call that?

Why are you tolerant of nazis enough...

I'm not. That's just the conclusion you jumped to because I modded you for dehumanizing people in the same way the ones you have such strong opinions about have done. Again, yes, the paradox of tolerance exists, but it is not a blank check for that kind of behavior.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (5 children)

Ok see? We're not even talking about the same thing. And yet the word Nazi is in the undertone.

Yes actual Nazis are bad. (I can't believe I have to fucking clarify that; jesus goddamned christ on rubber crutches 🤦‍♂️). But lemmy just throws that word around so cavalierly and indiscriminately it's hard to even take it seriously anymore. Add on people dehumanizing anyone they personally think is a nazi, and that's a recipe for not good.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 hours ago (17 children)

If you convince the public that one group is undeserving of human rights, then it's easier to convince them of the next group. It's also incredibly easy to expand the first group you've already dehumanized to include even more people than it did before.

Even if you think nazi's don't deserve human rights, what definition of nazi are you using? On the internet, especially Lemmy, people will take each other out of context, call each other nazis over the slightest disagreement and then strut around like they've somehow won the debate.

You say nazis don't deserve human rights but then people go around calling each other nazis over nothingburger disagreements which, according to your logic, immediately revokes their human rights.

And the jump to "the mods must be fascist supporters" is an absolute dive straight into insane troll logic.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

Looking at the modlog, it was because the comment section was turning into a lynch mob, frothing at the mouth, and calling for more and more intense violence. Hiding behind "I'm totally joking, but..." isn't the magic shield you think it is.

No, this isn't Reddit, but that doesn't mean we're going to platform calls for violence and extremism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

Please try to disagree without gatekeeping (e.g. telling them their opinion is wrong).

Not gonna mod this comment or anything, just giving a warning.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Please try to disagree without gatekeeping (e.g. telling them their opinion is wrong).

Not gonna mod this comment or anything, just giving a warning.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Per rule 4: Can you correct the post title to match the article's? Neither the embed title nor the title on the article's page match the one used for the post. There's no archived version (yet?) to tell if the headline has changed since publication. If this is only the title in the app, then please be sure to use the title shown on the web since this is a link-sharing platform. Thanks.

 

Planet Earth is currently home to around 8.2 billion living human bodies. Virtually every one of which, when you think about it, is basically a deconstructed meatball in some variation of Birkenstocks and a North Face jacket.

You didn't think about it? Well, four years ago, a math enthusiast on Reddit did, contributing to the majestic library of online content that helps you visualize the sweaty lump of mass traditionally referred to as the human race.

"If you blended all 7.88 billion people on Earth into a fine goo (density of a human = 985 kg/m3, average human body mass = 62 kg), you would end up with a sphere of human goo just under 1 km wide," Reddit contributor kiki2703 wrote in a post I've since bookmarked for sharing at the family barbeques I'm no longer allowed to attend.

 

NBC New York obtained exclusive video that shows the torture victim running down the street after his escape, 17 days into captivity, and seeking help from a police officer.

What to Know

  • An Italian man escaped from a house on Prince Street in New York City last week, where he said he had been held captive for 17 days and allegedly tortured by two business partners
  • Two NYPD members, including a detective on Mayor Eric Adams' security detail have been placed on modified desk duty after links surfaced to the two crypto businessmen charged with kidnapping an Italian tourist, sources tell News 4
  • The detective allegedly provided security for the Prince Street townhouse where the Italian man was held and it's believed he may have picked up the tourist from the airport and brought him to SoHo, sources tell News 4
  • City Hall said it is "disturbed by these allegations" and the investigation into the officer's behavior is ongoing
  • John Woeltz, was arrested in his bathrobe outside the scene; he is expected in court on kidnap and torture charges, among others, on Wednesday. A second suspect, William Duplessie, surrendered in connection with the case a day ago

Note: There are two headlines for this, one on the actual article page and a different one in the embed description. The post title is the one from the article. The headline from the embed description is "Crypto king torture investigation takes shocking turn".

 

“I would not acknowledge reproduction as a human right, but instead as a form of rape,” IndictEvolution wrote on Lemmy.World in July 2023. “I am also not bothered by infanticide as long as it is done humanely...”

 

Preface: I'm neither equipped nor here to diagnose anyone with body dysphoria or anything like that.

I totally get the appeal of working out, getting a nice summer/beach body, staying fit/healthy and all that. That's all well and good. But the degree to which bodybuilders intentionally overdo it just looks awful to me. Like, to me, they all look like tiny little heads atop roided-out, spray-tanned, lumpy, disproportionate looking bodies.

That just looks gross to me, and I can't see the appeal of wanting to do that to yourself.

 

Just added rule 6 to the sidebar that reduces some ambiguity between rules 4 and 5. 99% of posts here already do this, so there shouldn't be much change other than it being required now.

Rule 6: Defend your position

This is a bit of a mix of rules 4 and 5 to help foster higher quality posts. You are expected to defend your unpopular opinion in the post body. We don't expect a whole manifesto (please, no manifestos), but you should at least provide some details as to why you hold the position you do.

This won't be applied retroactively, but anything from here on out is expected to include some exposition to go along with the opinion itself

 

Edit 2025-01-13: LW has indicated they will be clarifying these rules soon. In the mean time, the community will remain locked until those are updated and deemed acceptable.


So the LW Team put out an announcement on new, site-wide moderation policy (see post link). I've defended, to many a downvote, pretty much every major decision they've made, but I absolutely cannot defend this one. In short, mods are expected to counter pretty much every batshit claim rather than mod it as misinformation, trolling, attack on groups, etc.

My rebuttal (using my main account) to the announcement: https://dubvee.org/comment/3541322


We're going to allow some "flat earth" comments. We're going to force some moderators to accept some "flat earth" comments. The point of this is that you should be able to counter those comments with words, and not need moderation/admin tools to do so.

(emphases mine)

Me: What if, to use the recent example from Meta, someone comes into a LGBT+ community and says they think being gay is a mental illness and /or link some quack study? Is that an attack on a group or is it "respectful dissent"?

LW: A lot of attacks like that are common and worth refuting once in awhile anyway. It can be valuable to show the response on occasion


I understand what they're trying to address here (highly encourage you to read the linked post), but the way they're going about it is heavy handed and reeks of "both sides"-ing every community, removing agency from the community moderators who work like hell to keep these spaces safe and civil, and opening the floodgates for misinformation and "civil" hate speech. How this new policy fits with their Terms of Service is completely lost to me.

I'll leave the speculation as to whether Musk dropped LW a big check as an exercise to the reader.

For now, this community is going dark in protest and I encourage other communities who may disagree with this new policy to join. Again, I understand the problem that is trying to be addressed, but this new policy, as-written, is not the way to do it.

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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Voting has concluded on whether the community wants to remove the "Vote the opposite of the norm" voting guidelines.

As you can see in the screenshot below (or in the post), the results are a tie (only upvotes are counted, not the score). I abstained from the vote, leaving it entirely to the community, and I do not wish to cast the tie-breaking vote.

Since it is a tie, I'll treat that as a non-majority vote and, as such, we will keep the voting guidelines as they are.

 
 

Since the world is so depressing right now, the mod team has agreed to rebrand this community as "Popular Opinions" to try to lighten the mood.

Instead of than sharing opinions that highlight our differences, share the ones that everyone can agree on.

The voting guidelines remain the same: Upvote if you agree it's a popular opinion, downvote if you think it's an unpopular opinion.

So, let's hear some things we can all get on board with!

In conclusion, happy April Fool's Day!

Note: This is a real rule change and will be enforced, but only for today as a fun change of pace. Normal rules return tomorrow.

Since we're all on differen timezones, we'll be running these rules midnight to 23:59 UTC.

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