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Hey all,

Moderation philosophy posts started out as an exercise by myself to put down some of my thoughts on running communities that I'd learned over the years. As they continued I started to more heavily involve the other admins in the writing and brainstorming. This most recent post involved a lot of moderator voices as well, which is super exciting! This is a community, and we want the voices at all levels to represent the community and how it's run.

This is probably the first of several posts on moderation philosophy, how we make decisions, and an exercise to bring additional transparency to how we operate.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

The original comment was yours... it seemed to include an attack onto everyone who doesn't think like you, with nothing constructive to offer. At least the response included an explanation of their point of view, but then you kept derailing the discussion towards antagonism and personal attacks.

If I understand the rules correctly (any admin/mod feel free to chime in if I'm wrong), the right way to continue that conversation would've been to acknowledge the other person's point of view, excuse yourself, and either try to work towards a constructive consensus, or just leave it be.

You can also edit your previous comments to add context or correct any mistakes to avoid misunderstandings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

The original comment was yours…

Wrong. Here is the bit of the original comment—still unremoved and not mine, but the one I replied to—which shits on anyone who doesn't vote for Democrats, and anyone who knows enough about other political philosophies to know the two liberal mainstream U.S. political brands are basically identical in all but rhetoric (so yeah, that user "included an attack onto everyone who doesn't thing like [them]" as you so helpfully put it).

i swear, you have either be super out of touch with the people actively under threat by republicans or putting your principles over the lives of actual people to even begin equating the two parties. work on utopian political projects every other day of the year, build movements to affect broader social change, but i swear if you end up not voting blue during one of the most precarious moments of this shithole's democracy what comes next is worse for all of us.

Does that help clarify things for you? I hope so, because you'd honestly have to be willfully misreading things if not.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

In addition to what jarfil said about this comment let alone the other removed comments, even now your behaviour is very confrontational and not conducive to intelligent, meaningful discussion even if we don't agree on political beliefs.

You are free to state your opinion, but instead of opening with "Wrong.", I suggest you express yourself in a way that invites discussion with anyone willing to discuss similarly, be it a liberal, conservative, anarchist, socialist, monarchist, libertarian, or what have you.

I'll go first. I agree with you that Beehaw is a sanitized space, kept clean to encourage friendly, respectful conversation. Where I disagree with you is where you say only certain political opinions are permitted. The focus of "sanitization" is for inflammatory, inappropriately judgmental, ragebait and flamebait, antagonistic and off-topic comments and posts. It is possible to detach an opinion from its inflammatory delivery, you know. I recommend you give it a try.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then the original comment I replied to should have been removed. Fuck that original commenter, fuck the mod, and by extension fuck your for blaming the working class's conditions on anyone not willing to vote for Democrats. That creates a toxic and unwelcoming community, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Oops. Guess I didn't knuckle under to your demand for civility; also liberal as hell.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Ok...? Not sure if this comment was directed at myself, gil or both of us as they are duplicates. I'll accept my liberal label, but if you think your present behaviour doesn't create toxic and unwelcoming communities, you do you and shine bright, firebrand. Just don't be surprised when people don't appreciate your company.

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