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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io -1 points 1 month ago (24 children)

I don't hate capitalism, it's better than feudalism, and the human race's attempts at communism have failed so spectacularly descending into absolute tyranny and corruption putting the sins of capitalism to shame. I also don't hate women, or feminism, there are some women I hate, but it's an individual judgement.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Complete BS. There are socialist countries currently doing just fine.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

For example? Also socialism != communism

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cuba, Laos, Vietnam. And you know that. I know that. People who say shit like this rarely know that.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“ In his end-of-year speech to the plenum of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Cuba, President Miguel Díaz-Canel said, “We are going through a very difficult period. We are practically living day by day”, noting that "The people have many complaints,” which he described as “fair”.”

https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2024/12/20/cuba-discusses-economic-planning-for-2025-after-a-really-difficult-year

Cuba is having a really rough moment right now. The economy contracted in 2023. There wasn’t enough growth in 2024 and the hurricanes have been awful last year. I don’t think Cuba should be listed given their current situation.

Laos and Vietnam are both currently strong.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Laos and Vietnam, like China, could also more accurately be described as having "state capitalist" economic systems

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

China has a stock market and investor class. They are an authoritarian capitalist state.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 3 points 4 weeks ago

No argument here

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

But how would Cuba be doing without foreign interference? Trade embargos and global climate change don't speak to the strength of their economic system at all.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh many of Cuba’s issues would disappear had the embargo been lifted but we are talking about the current reality and right now Cuba is hurting.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Right, I understand that. I just don't think it's fair to pin the results of sixty years of deliberate sabotage on their chosen economic system. People are always quick to point out how these systems never work as if the capitalists haven't done every single thing possible to keep it from working for them.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

I mean they haven't worked and the Labor Theory of Value is flat out incorrect to the point of ludicrousness but that doesn't mean that all of Cuba's failings are self created. They aren't Venezuela whose problems are almost entirely self created.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Aren't their trade relations with the rest of the world outside the US just fine?

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The U.S. embargo doesn't just stop trade with America, it also scares off foreign companies and banks that don't want to risk U.S. penalties. This has led to them being overly reliant on Russia, China, and Venezuela. So while Cuba isn't totally cut off, nor is it just fine.

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