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[–] floofloof 88 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (10 children)

Anyone who leaves a message in full view to announce they've accessed the system isn't the real danger. If whoever this is could get in, so can the real experts from China, Russia, North Korea, etc. There's no way Musk's DOGE people, in their destructive haste, have taken any care over security. It's even likely his team of punchable kids put in their own backdoors, thinking they were being clever. If and when foreign adversaries find their way in through those, they're not putting up an announcement.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 15 hours ago (9 children)

Sorry for the wall of text.

You would hope that a public front end is entirely isolated from critical systems.

Hackers got in.
Either they saw there was nothing of value, and figured they would embarrass the owners.
They got in, saw shitloads of value, but decided the ethical thing was to embarrass as opposed to exfil/exploit/sell the access.
Or the hackers were explicitly aiming to embarrass the owners, and didn't explore scope beyond that.
It's likely "gay furry hackers" or similar, and it's "grey hat" hacking.

The ethical route, ie "white hat", is to contact the owners about the exploit with a fixed period disclosure. Ie, "fix this in 30-90 days, or we will publish our method".
"Gray hat" are more like this. Where they find an exploit, it could go deeper, but they do some lulz instead. Basically make it obvious something has been hacked, but not actually exploit it further.
"Black hat" would find the exploit (even if it was limited access) then sell it while trying to leave no trace, so it can be exploited again. Or straight up exploit it themselves.

There is a possibility of foreign agents doing false-flag gray hat shit. Exfil sensitive data, cover their tracks, then "botch" some "hahaha you've been pwnd" stuff. Both getting sensitive data, and derailing the US government (because Musk has been authorised by Trump. It's a huge undermining).

With the timeline, this seems like gray hat, or black hat further exploited by gray hat. Or false flag.

The obvious aim is to embarrass the owners.
This casts serious political shade on the DOGE servers that have been hooked into government networks without oversight. Any further data exfil is a bonus to certain foreign countries.

Best case scenario is that this is domestic gray hat, the muSSk team learn from it, and figure out how actual internet security works, and harden their systems accordingly.
I mean, the actual best case is that this DOGE coup gets stopped. But the president has authorised DOGE, so this is what America wants. So, not a coup.

Ideally, this hack has 0 actual scope of security vulnerability.
Other than the "yeh, but if they can get into your public web server (something expected to be hardened as fuck, and might as well be static file hosting. Seriously, why is there a database for this shit), how can we trust your servers on government networks".
But chances are the exploits to get into this server will be similar to the exploits to get into the government connected DOGE systems. Unless the sysadmin & network admins (god bless them) have managed to maintain some control that muSSk doesn't understand, and are able to mitigate the tsunami of access such a compromised server might unleash.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Coups aren’t just for unelected people. A self-coup is when you use your power to KEEP control.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yeh, but they aren't keeping control.
They have been elected. They have 4 years.
So far, it doesn't seem that they have broken any laws or whatever, that would cause the system to reject their workings. They've rigged the courts, so the system is unlikely to reject their workings.
I'd say it's more of a constitutional coup. They are using loop holes to seize more power.
I think it will be an attempted self-coup in 4 years.

Regardless, it isn't worth arguing about.
It's wrong. It's a shit sandwich, the flavour of shit doesn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

So far, it doesn’t seem that they have broken any laws or whatever, that would cause the system to reject their workings.

They are breaking laws, including the constitution. The courts are trying to reject it, but have no method to enforce their rulings when the executive branch willingly ignores them and even explicitly lies the blame with the courts for trying to protect the system.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/12/nx-s1-5294666/trump-white-house-constitutional-crisis-judges

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

I guess what I mean is that they are blasting through flimsy guardrails.

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