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Is Thunderbird Mail safe to use privacywise? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I have 2 concerns:

I recently read the firefox Terms Of Use paragraph that people are posting which doesn't sound nice in terms of privacy.
Back when Mozilla had their own Mastodon instance called mozilla.social, every time I signed in I would be blasted with trackers according to uBlock Origin.

I'm no expert in these things and I want to ask if anyone recommends that I switch away from Thunderbird Mail and if so, which open source email client? Thanks in advance.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

This doesn’t bode well at all: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/about/

Thunderbird operates in a separate, for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation.

A free mail client from a for-profit company? What’s the revenue model? Sounds like I must be the product somehow.

The Thunderbird for-profit entity, MZLA Technologies Corporation, is distinct from the Firefox for-profit entity, Mozilla Corporation, and both are wholly owned by the non-profit entity, Mozilla Foundation.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The page you linked

You are not the product.

To us, data ownership and privacy are your right wherever you live. Our commitment to your personal data is simple:

We do not collect or store it unless you ask us to.

We take great care to keep it safe from misuse.

We will never sell it.

You retain ownership and control of it.

Heck even clicking the next link you posted has a full explanation. I can't consider your comment to be anything other than the wilful spread of misinformation and slander.

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/

The move will allow the project to collect revenue through partnerships and non-charitable donations, which in turn can be used to cover the costs of new products and services.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This for-profit company saying that I am not the product doesn’t necessarily make it so, and it doesn’t explain what is the product or service being sold and to whom. And just as their Firefox counterpart changed their terms yesterday, they could change theirs tomorrow.

Mozilla hasn’t been moving in promising directions lately. Mozilla's CEO doubles down on them being an advertising company now

Edit to add: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Without advertising money and alternate revenue streams there would be no Mozilla

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