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America must not surrender its Democratic values | Bernie Sanders (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 3 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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There's not a whole hell of a lot that's new here, but it's important to remember that if you're not recognizing the country we've known, colonialist and imperialist as it's been over the years, you're not alone.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

why weren't we tearing down the government when Bush started bombing Iraqi kids or any of the many other times we did equally fucked up evil shit?

Many of us were, but leftists have to fight both the system and liberals defending it. One of the biggest issues with liberals is they don't want to tear down systems like white supremacy, they want to rework it into something they are comfortable with.

progress takes time

In the words of James Baldwin 'how much time do you want for your progress? '

Democrat incrementalism in reality has been incremental fascism.

Liberals are dying to infighting bro

Let the party die

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I completely disagree.

You're looking at a bad dog blaming the dog when it is the owners that are the problem. Voter turnout is abysmal, there is no better party coming if people don't turn out to vote. Democrats would be decent if people voted, they don't. This is why we're here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Voter turnout is abysmal because the duopoly doesn't represent our needs. Marginalized are still marginalized, poor are still poor, unhoused are still unhoused regardless which flavor of fascism is in power.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Not true at all.

There's a ton of reasons you can argue to how we got here, unfortunate economic uncertainties that were unseen, religious zealotry and bigotry, wealth disparity sure.

But to see slavery end, get voting rights applied to the population that deserves it, create a system that provides any degree of food and healthcare and shelter when none existed before and you're going to continue to argue that there's only a duopoly? They're not doing a very good job then.

The duopoly doesn't exist without poor voter turnout. The poor turnout is a totally different reason.