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Its like Hillary walking into a working class kitchen for the first time.

They've been shielded from even critical support of China and other AES for so long they literally, not figuratively, literally cannot process that people exist that have beliefs that aren't Reddit Approved. They immediately assume it's bots or wumao. Human beings can't possibly hold these beliefs, so they must be Oriental hordes or actual robots.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (109 children)

If you think the CCP is genuinely dedicated to communism I cannot take you seriously.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Few people here think that the CPC is "genuinely dedicated to communism". It is a party with millions of members, including communists, liberals, nationalists, and others (happy to chat about the specific major factions in the party if you're interested). Many in the party are not ardent communists, and have mediocre to poor historical and political literacy from the perspective of a lot of the Marxist nerds on here.

Some people look at the party and see "hey they're called communists, and many of them are communists, sure as hell better than whatever is going on in the US or wherever" and kinda hop on board with some enthusiasm that way.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Few people here think that the CPC is "genuinely dedicated to communism".

I-was-saying

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

See other comments, but I would suggest that statement is overly broad on it's own. There is a large liberal continent within the party, although they are still on their heels.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I see what you're getting at, but even the Bolsheviks formed a broad front with liberals, no? Not that that's a wholly comparable situation, but I'm sure the Party has its reasons, even if we aren't privvy to them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Right, and if I bothered to read more theory/history I'd probably have some criticisms about that too. It is a necessary aspect of having a functioning socialist government while capitalist forces still reign supreme. It doesn't mean it's above me carefully analyzing it, rather than calling it fine and overlooking it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Oh, naturally. It raised my eyebrows too the first time I learned of the Bolsheviks doing it, and I'd like to read more about it. Might help understand why the CPC took a similar course. Of course, Chinese sources would be better for that, but I haven't the faintest idea where to find them, much less in English.

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