Putin used his speech not only to announce recognition of the separatist republics but to make a broader argument that Ukraine is not truly a separate country from Russia, that the West is responsible for this standoff, and that Ukraine will bear responsibility for any "future bloodletting."

For people who have dismissed accusations that Russia building an excuse for war, is this not at least ominous? This is the final sentence from the Kremlin's transcript:

That raises another question: why was it necessary to make such generous gifts, beyond the wildest dreams of the most zealous nationalists and, on top of all that, give the republics the right to secede from the unified state without any conditions?

Reading over his speech, it's hard to see him as viewing Ukraine with its own will. Instead, it is merely a breakaway nation that should be subject to Russia's will.

[–] olive@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago (21 children)

For people who have dismissed accusations that Russia building an excuse for war

I'm pretty convinced at this point that a good amount of people on this site that are either Russian/Chinese propagandists, are apologists, or are just in complete denial. Every post about this has someone calling out Western media as fake news, etc, but here you go. Here is the proof. They all look like idiots with their foot in their mouths now.

[–] gun@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (19 children)

Ah yes. The brilliant Russo-Chinese geopolitical strategy. Fund propagandists to spread their agenda on Lemmy of all fucking places.
When they can't prove you wrong on an issue, or even imagine how anyone could disagree with them, they resort to calling you a Russian bot, just like the Democrats do to everyone who disagrees with them. Apparently most of the world is Russian bots 😂
You should be careful throwing around the word "idiot" with that line of argument 😉

[–] olive@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

The thing is, your argument is just as thin. There is no point in arguing with a stupid person, because they will just bring you down to their level and win. Which is why you're not worth it. If you really believe the BS russian propaganda, you're so far gone it's not worth it. Russia could nuke Kiev and you would try justify it or call it fake news or something. Take vladdy p's cock out your mouth.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

If you really believe the BS russian propaganda, you’re so far gone it’s not worth it. Russia could nuke Kiev and you would try justify it or call it fake news or something.

Why do you believe Western propaganda this much throughout the thread? Can you not see who is gaslighting since what is now 7 years of this repeated stuff?

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Take vladdy p’s cock out your mouth.

You seriously need to take a breather from CIA propaganda. That stuff has made you toxic.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Russia has now started a full invasion, just like the US had warned.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago

I need that evidence of "boots on the ground".

[–] olive@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Bro, you're trying to justify/pretend that Russia didn't just invade a sovereign country. Your opinion is invalid.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

You just handwaved 7 years of gaslighting Western propaganda and called my comment invalid opinion, holy shit. You are using r/worldnews tier insults with the other fellow. Even further above you said there is an invasion of Russian/Chinese bots on Lemmy, literally what thousands of Redditors parrot on frontpage daily.

Wow. And what I cited as facts searchable via Google is invalid opinion. Just wow.

[–] olive@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago

Russian invasion of Ukraine is also facts searchable via Google. It doesn't fucking matter. You're acting like they are correct in doing so. There is no pretext that allows Russia to invade a sovereign country.

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