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So... Doing your job well is "quiet quitting" now? I don't want my boss to think I'm quiet quitting, I Guess I'll have to underperform instead.
Quiet firing on the other hand is giving raises that are under inflation. Companies should stop this quiet firing shit.
Quiet quitting: doing what you're paid for
Normal working: doing what you're paid for but also asking managers for more work when you're done -> that's what's expected from management and also takes some load off their shoulders, they love that
Over achievement: doing what you're paid for and more without asking management -> management will promise you a seat at the table of you continue doing that long enough!
If there's advancement opportunities try to do the second one until you reach a point where you're happy and then do the first one :)
I actually thought you were joking until the last sentence
Get off your knees, you slave
"you slave"
He said to the guy telling others to reach the point where they're happy with what they're doing and to then work their wage and nothing more.
If I was on my knees in front of management I would be telling everyone to just keep working harder forever, not to stop doing it once they don't have or want advancement opportunities.
I'll simper to no one for "advancement"
Then work your fucking wage and that's it then, don't bitch when others decide to put a bit more effort in order to move ahead if you're expecting to be offered the same opportunity without showing that you're actually able to do more than what is asked of you.
If I see someone eating the same meal every day I will come to the conclusion that they're either unable or unwilling to cook something else so I won't ask them to cook me something else.
See? There's that slave mentality again
"Master won't like you unless you work harder!"
If you don't have any initiative don't be surprised if you never achieve anything in life.
That mentality only works if you believe your job is the only way you can achieve anything in life.
No matter where you want to achieve something, you have to show initiative for it to happen.
Right now we're talking about work and they say they won't work harder for advancement? Then they won't get advancement.
If we were on a DIY forum and we were talking about building a fence and they were saying "I won't take time from my day to make it and no way I'll pay someone to do it for me." my reaction would be the same, show some initiative or don't complain if shit doesn't happen.
People can complain about nepotism and jobs not going to those who deserve it, but they can't also complain about jobs going to those who decide to put in the work while they're doing the bare minimum (i.e. jobs going to those who show they deserve it because they take action and show that they're willing and able to do more).
What you call "quiet quitting" IS putting in the work. You even said it yourself - it's doing exactly what is expected of you.
What you call "showing initiative" is allowing yourself to be ruled by the whims of a wannabe master. If they wanted you to do more, they should have put that in the job description. And if there's still work to be done, they should have hired another person. 1 can't do the work of 2.
It's as if you didn't read what I said.
If your goal is to stay in the position you're in then do what you're paid for and nothing else, but don't complain you're not offered the same opportunities if you see someone showing they're ready and able to do more get promoted, no shit people will assume you can't do more if you don't show them you're able to, that applies to everything in life, not just work.
You won't get stronger by always curling the same dumbbell for the same number of reps. No one will just take your word for it if you say you're able to run a marathon in 4 hours if they always see you sitting on the couch playing video games.
Hell, with your mentality why go to school? I mean, who are they to rate your work? Why should you need to prove to anyone that your understand what you were taught? You know you do and that's what's important and people should realize that and offer you a job based on your confidence that you're the best surgeon in your country! Right?
I see people in this thread complaining about nepotism but when I mention meritocracy they're just as mad. Well then, what is your fucking solution?
Citation needed for this alleged complaining
Also - don't make me laugh by comparing sucking up to your employer to genuine self improvement.
Like I already said - I do have initiative. Pointless busywork just to kiss ass is not showing initiative. It's showing compliance.
I have initiative, I just don't waste it on wannabe kings