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Memorial to "rif is fun for Reddit" Android app, aka "reddit is fun", shut down after June 30, 2023

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  1. Use distributed, federated services like Lemmy, mastodon etc.
  2. Support the hosts with our own funds.
  3. Moderate our own communities.

The second point is the most important. Reddit happened because they are a corporate entity seeking profit. Let's own our social media platforms by actively contributing funds to them.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Second option is difficult because there are too many instances. It is difficult to make good use of the funds as the popular instances will eventually enjoy too much profit whilst the smaller instances will be forced to shutdown due to lack of funds. This will lessen the decentralisation overtime.

The solution is a central service, something like Lemmy Fund Management or something, which regulates the funds accordingly. The managers will be selected by voting system (democracy). There are other solutions as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But then the centralised service becomes a single point of failure. If you attack that one service, all instances lose their funding.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I can see that being an issue. I think if everybody focuses on a solution, we can surely do something about it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Ok, so, admittedly, I haven't taken much time to read up on what I can do with Lemmy.

However, by the sound of it, I can set up an instance on whatever server I desire. From that instance I can moderate the content accordingly to how I want, including automation. Users can sign up on my Lemmy instance, or I can participate in other discussions from Lemmy users on other instances.

This also means I could make an app for my specific lemmy server, and tweak it as to how I see it. Or shit, I could keep myself as the only user ok that lemmy instance if I really wanted.

I take it all the stuff for lemme is right there on Github, so When the little one has down time I'll start digging in

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Unsure how distributed federated services prevents the reddit downfall, aside from corporate greed. Which can also be solved through legally binding agreements/foundation-controlled companies. Among many other solutions that can avoid funding, stability, and consistency issued federated services have and will continue to have.

It's all a tradeoff. To tradeoff corporate greed you now have community fragmentation and fragility risks as any instance can be taken down whenever, and any unhappy user that created communities can solely kill them off (As stated by some users threatening to do so in another thread).

What you should be talking about is how do you mitigate these tradeoffs. What should others do to make the fediverse more successful? If you want it to be successful than talking about these hard problems in a semi-flenal way is required.

#2 sounds good to say, but barely works in practice when you're talking about infrastructure costs in the tens of millions of $ per year for something at scale...

Essentially saying nice things that don't effectively translate into reality doesn't solve problems. It just perpetuates a lack of critical thinking.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

also don't block other instances too much! I mean as long as they are bot servers that threaten the health of the network, then you have to get rid of them of course. but way too many people are getting their panties in a bunch about content they don't like, and immediately resort to the nuclear option of defederation, which is actually hurting the network and effectively splitting the user base. all these things should be blocked on a user level (by blocking specific communities, not whole instances!).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are unfortunately not enough people that hold this opinion, too many are trigger happy on defederating from those they don't like.

Like you say, there can be some legitimate reasons, such as bot servers, and I would add if a big company created an instance to take it over and kill the federation.

But too many simply do it because they disagree with what the people in an instance are saying, and that hurts the federated nature of the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I’m having trouble seeing the purpose of the federation system if not to cater what people see, to one degree or another. After seeing soft nazi rhetoric spread through years worth of complacency, the argument of “don’t get too banhappy, fellas, all ideas are worth considering” really doesn’t strike me as wise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

When there's an instance that doesn't want to play well with others, it's up to others to take action.

Generally, I agree, but sometimes it's going to happen. See also the great IRC split, and countless other networks prior that mostly no longer exist.

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