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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

At first I was a little uncomfortable with votes being visible on kbin, but I have to say, the small adjustment to my own habits is well worth being able to see who downvotes this kind of thing so I can pre-emptively block them and avoid ever interacting with such scum.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You also wanna make sure to get in the habit of punching with your thumb at the side of your fist and not in front of your index finger, cause you might otherwise break your own thumb on impact.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Don't hold it inside your fingers either for the same reason.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Reminder that Mahatma Gandhi was a plant by the UK government to stop the india independence movement, and delayed independence by decades. Also a pedophile. Nonviolent protest doesn't work.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I definitely appreciate any punch that gets thrown in a Nazi's direction, but I agree, stay safe. If you have a can of industrial strength bear mace, use that, instead. Really get in in their holes, too. Mouth, ear, and nose. If you are brave enough, try other holes, too. Every hole filled with bear mace is one less hole spewing vile hate speech.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So bear mace is typically weaker than mace meant for people. So I recommend full power self defense mace/pepper spray for use against nazis. Other than that small detail, I’m fully on board with your recommended plan.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nazi punch, Nazi punch, Nazi punch! Fuck off!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (38 children)

Cool but slippery slope Edit: I feel like a lot of people dont get it. For an example if you ban nazis and they get power they can ban the left side or trans people(etc you get the point). Also just banning stuff can screw up things. Same with allowing hitting someone for their (flawed) ideology. You have to assume that your enemies and also yourself dont have morals. Nazis think they are the good side(idk actually, im not a nazi). Violence and banning things should only be used as an extreme measure.

[–] Candelestine 15 points 2 years ago

Life is nothing but slippery slopes in all directions. Get used to it and stop falling for it as a line.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your argument is the slippery slope fallacy. Nazis end game has been seen. They murder people. I don't hear Nazis saying we can coexist. You murder murderers. You silence people who want to permanently silence others. Idealistically silence them until they change their mind. Punching a Nazi might fix their brain damage at least make them think twice before they try to publicly express themselves

A slippery slope fallacy (SSF), in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is a fallacious argument in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect.[1] The core of the slippery slope argument is that a specific decision under debate is likely to result in unintended consequences. The strength of such an argument depends on whether the small step really is likely to lead to the effect. This is quantified in terms of what is known as the warrant (in this case, a demonstration of the process that leads to the significant effect). This type of argument is sometimes used as a form of fearmongering in which the probable consequences of a given action are exaggerated in an attempt to scare the audience. Black and white cartoon of a tall woman in a dress reaching her knees and a shorter man holding a bouquet. Both are in front of a robed figure. Each of the marrying couples has a couple of their same-sex and similar attire behind.

The fallacious sense of "slippery slope" is often used synonymously with continuum fallacy, in that it ignores the possibility of middle ground and assumes a discrete transition from category A to category B. In this sense, it constitutes an informal fallacy. Other idioms for the slippery slope fallacy are the thin end/edge of the wedge, the camel's nose in the tent, or If You Give a Mouse a Cookie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Nah, they'll ban leftism and trans people either way. It's not like the Weimar Republic banned Nazism, and yet Hitler still banned every other political party and did the Holocaust. Fascist ideologies must be strangled in the cradle, so punching Nazis is fine.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (17 children)

Cringe take to glorify any violence for having an opinion even if its offensive just as yours could be equally offensive to them. If you say your feelings aren't hurt then you actually think violence is a good cause lol

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Genocide is the central defining feature of nazism. Why should anyone care about the opinions of nazis or what they find offensive?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Violence is good, especially when punching nazis. The ideology is inherently violent. Punching a nazi is always self-defense.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My parents raised me with unfortunate views, as did the churches they forced me to attend. It was only through life experience did I come to realize they were wrong.

Violence didn't help me, it made me feel isolated and more inclined to think that those using violence against me didn't have rational arguments against my views.

Violence doesn't win arguments, and it should be a last resort, using it for instant gratification is a sure strategy to prolong conflict.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Thanks for sharing a bit about your life. I'm very proud of you (however much that means) and agree 100% with what you wrote.

However, I have also been on the receiving end. The childhood experience of watching racists shout slurs at my parents in a grocery store has permanently impacted my perspective.

Many try to ignore or debate with racists for years, and the violence you see often is the last resort.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Isnt there an community avalaible for this kinds of things regarding nazis ? if yes pls give it to me. If no, pls create it.

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