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Armor for Sleep: What To Do When You Are Dead (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is great stuff. Would have come in handy last year

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Were you dead at the time?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah but I stumbled into this vacancy

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

My phone must have been clicking on things in my pocket. I sat down finally today and opened my phone and this post was in full screen displaying. Had to do a double take

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Bro that would fuck me up so hard lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Welcome to the Twilight zone

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

man, haven’t thought about them in a long time, used to love that record. Car Underwater was a jam

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

They’re going on tour this winter with The Early November and The Spill Canvas

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

More please. New fetish unlocked

Edit: more info on source: https://imgur.com/a/eRCYz#kR802gV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_to_Do_When_You_Are_Dead
there's also a reddit thread, but i'm not linking it...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you’re interested in another album based around this concept, “I Didn’t Mean To Haunt You” by Quadeca is a really good one written from the perspective of a ghost.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

thank you for the suggestion. honestly, just want more infographics on the theme. a graphical "handbook for the recently deceased".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

What a great album. I spun this one a ton back in the day. Pretty sure I still have a physical copy somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

armor for sleep, the band?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Funny thing, fear is a heavily biological phenomenon, to keep your body safe from harm. It's very chemical-based. If you have a soul of some sort, it would lack a lot of the mechanisms like adrenaline and cortisol that we normally associate with the sensation of fear.

It would have no real reason to be afraid of anything. What are you going to hurt, its feelings?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

It does state that bright lights can change you, though I suppose that isn't the same as harm.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah you need glands for that

[+] [email protected] -11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But all emotions are chemical processes in our brain, and vision is a product of our eyes, and hearing is from our ears, etc. So if a make believe ghost can experience those other things, why not fear as well?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most of those are far more undiscernable than fear. Fear is very simplistic, and people are very familiar with its component pieces if they consider it at any length.

Most other emotions are more indescribable, and harder to explain mechanistically. People are familiar with what adrenaline, and sometimes cortisol feel like though, specifically. So it's easier to pin those down into bodily processes and leave the rest to a belief in a soul, if one wishes.

Basically, until a specific mechanism for something is pinned down, and communicated in a way that people can understand, it can be filled in with various forms of magic if one wishes. This is just personal preference and freedom of religion. Fear is easy, it's a simple, fairly barebones emotion. Is love easy though?

[+] [email protected] -12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like we could get deep into the weeds about emotions, but I do enjoy your version of "ghosts can't feel some emotions because they lack a body". I think it could have some annoying side effect extrapolations like "ghosts don't have eyes or ears or anything, so I guess they're trapped in a sensationless nothingness" but since ghosts are made up, you could just say "they can see because of magic" and clear it up. Anyways, ghosts are a fun idea, and I'm glad people keep imagining up interesting versions of them.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, from a strictly scientific standpoint, there is no sound evidence for ghosts. This is religion, not science. With a little bit of science thrown in for fun, like seasoning some food with salt. But make no mistake, religion, not science.

If you try to only stick to scientifically confirmed ideas, the entire thing falls apart. But you were aware that a very large percentage, perhaps a sound majority of the planet even, prefers faith-based systems to evidence-based systems, yes? Science is a tool that other people employ for their benefit, but to them, the world is a matter of faith.

This is why it amuses me to hybridize the two in ways that people can understand experientially.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But why apply it specifically to emotions and not senses? Or something else, for that matter?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As I already expressed, the accessibility of the idea is important to the hypothetical landing in the first place. We do not fully understand how image processing in the brain happens. This is inaccessible information currently. We do know how adrenaline functions, this is accessible to people, even those without academic training, due to it entering common language as an "adrenaline rush".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like this is kind of just arbitrarily picking and choosing again. We do not fully understand how emotional processing happens either, and the mechanics behind it are arguably more complex to the layperson than vision is. There are different types of adrenaline rushes (excitement, fear, athletic focus, etc.) and most people don't know how noradrenaline and other chemicals influence your emotional state, whereas I'd argue that far more people understand the basic mechanics of sight (rods and cones) and when getting blinded by light there is only one potential sensation.

If you want to have fun with the idea of what fictional/fantastical ghosts do or do not experience, that is completely okay, but you don't need to try and make some justification or explanation as to why it is that particular way and not any other way or why that way makes more sense than any others.

In my head, I can also kind of see how it could make sense that if ghosts existed then there'd likely be certain emotional stimuli that they'd be missing, But that's just in my head with my reasoning, doesn't mean that it has to objectively make more sense than anything else or that that's how it would be if they actually existed.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well of course its arbitrary. I just picked it because it was used in the meme that we are talking about. I could've also used physical pain or sexual desire or hunger. It just has to be something that people have experiential experience with. Sight possibly could've worked, but I don't think so. Maybe for you?

Also, I'm not sure there actually are different kinds of adrenaline rushes. Regarding my explanation, I was asked, so I provided it. Just because you do not like it does not make it bad. My point stands. People "get" fear pretty easily, if they want. People cannot "get" sight, without the aid of science training. It's a key difference between the two, which makes picking one over the other pretty easy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I didn't say that I don't like it or that it's bad, just that it's not better or worse, or makes objectively more sense, than anything else.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 years ago

No, it definitely does not make objectively more sense, that is 100% true. Subjectively, and maybe, only. Subjectively is what's important though. Only a fairly smallish percentage of humans care about trying to be objective most of the time. Most just don't bother. So unless you are a student (where we have to keep your options open) or adult working in some sort of technical field, you can actually dispense with it.

This is one of the big reasons why our world is so fucked up, as a side note.