[Weekly] What are you reading this week? [8/06/23] : books

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm slowly (although understandably, I believe) going through Ulysses by James Joyce and I'm trying to find a balance between the massive notes and engaging with the text itself.

I know that, especially in the English speaking literary world, it is customary to stand in the former camp but I can't really gel with that, it feels like I'm reading something other than the book, and I didn't really have this problem with Dubliners.

When I end up reading all of it I suppose I would then be ok going back to it later on reading all of the notes, but I've tried doing that as a first read and it didn't really work for me.

It's 's too early to even connect some thoughts, so I'm more looking for recommendations than able to give some to others!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I tried reading it once for pleasure (didn't get far) and then had to read it two years running for entirely different university modules.

The refreshing way it was taught was that it skipped around from chapter to chapter, and was read out of order. Because really the plot such as it is doesn't have much bearing on it. But I wouldn't say it made it more enjoyable to read just easier to understand. And, honestly, it just let you skip out the really boring bits.

Martin Amis made a very good point about Ulysses - it's read and analysed and dissected by academics but who actually just curls up and relaxes with it for fun? The answer is not many. If you're looking for something which doesn't need a lot of footnotes to understand don't feel guilty about dropping it!

RECOMMENDATION: Flann O'Brien's The Third Policeman. An Irish near contemporary of Joyce's, with a similar love of messing around with language but who is actually readable and very funny in an absurd way!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I resonate with a lot of what you're saying, and yeah, I don't think I'll feel too guilty about taking a break or two since I can get back on it whenever I want.

My one problem with the amount of footnotes is that they can be so dense and cumbersome that the stream of consciousness sections didn't even feel like a stream of anything: it was like when you repeat a word so often you start losing your grip on what the word itself is. Of course they're helpful to an extent, a considerable one on a work like this one, but if this book was so wild and innovative when it came out I want to feel some of that!

Also, thanks for the recommendation! It sounds like something I'd really enjoy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

if this books was so wild and innovative when it came out I want to feel some of that!

I suspect that there was a little bit of an element of A Brief History Of Time about it, crossed in with the fact it was known to have 'dirty' bits in - lots of people bought it but how many people read it cover to cover is questionable. So I'm sure a lot of people when it came out were just skipping to the interesting bits as well, or just putting it on their shelves to show off their bohemian credentials!

It has genuinely funny passages, genuinely brilliant experimental pieces and lots of bits which are quite boring. That's the thing about experimental literature - I find the same with William Burroughs as well - you have to wade through the experiments that didn't work to find the bits that did. I've always been more interested in experimentation with storytelling devices like breaking the fourth wall and so on than the stream of consciousness experimentation which feels easy on the writer and hard on the reader.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How approachable is Dubliners? I read some fairly dense stuff but I've always avoided Joyce (and most modernist stuff like Woolf, Proust, etc) because it's intimidating.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Out of the three authors you mentioned I think Joyce is the least approachable to be honest: Proust's one difficulty is his very slow rhythm (and if you manage to adjust to it there's a nice payoff on the other side, I loved the first book of the recherche) and I generally find Woolf quite pleasant to read so I'm not the right person to ask on the account of any difficulties in reading her work.

To ge back to Dubliners you may encounter some difficulties with the things left unsaid or only to be understood thanks to a wider context; it is however a much simpler writing mechanism than all that happens in Ulysses. I got by with some introductory notes that didn't bog me down that much and I enjoyed the effect Joyce was aiming for in those works.

I hope I was helpful and I gave you enough context to judge my point of view relative to what your tastes may be.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just finished Consider Phlebas by Iain M Banks. Was looking for an epic space opera and it didn’t disappoint. I’d describe the story as “very good” but the world building as “outstanding”.

This is book 1 of the Culture series. Apparently book 2 is one of the best. Just about to start and can’t wait.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Still the only one I've read, I read it last year - I was told the second was the best but I really enjoyed it.

I agree that the world building was incredible, I enjoyed the story but it was the vivid descriptions of the planets and various types of species that really kept me involved to the end.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Looking at all the books in that series, it looks like they get better and better with each book. Thanks for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Apparently each book is a different story in the same universe (same races, tech, war, political systems etc). So can be read in any order. I was told to start with book 2 as it’s a better introduction. But I enjoyed book 1 anyway. Was exactly what I was in the mood for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm just finishing "The Zombie Survival Guide" by Max Brooks. It is a satirical survival manual - great fun and lots of highly practical hints.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I loved Devolution by Max Brooks. Would highly recommend if you like survival horror and his writing style!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm reading Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke. It's an alternative history fantasy taking place in 19th centure England. I like it a lot but it's very long. I think it will take me most of the month to finish.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I loved this book! But it's physically huge and not very commute friendly lol. I ended up switching to the audiobook to get it done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Haha yeah this would not be a fun book to lug around. It's also my friend's copy so I'm avoiding taking it anywhere out of fear of damaging it. How did the audiobook handle all the footnotes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I finished Eight Perfect Murders by Peter Swanson last week and decided to re-read The Odyssey by Homer. I’ve only read ~10% but it’s still as good as I remember it from my college English class

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Last week was super busy and I didn't get to finish the two I've been working on. :(

Currently reading Abaddon's Gate by James Corey, the first two were pretty good. I've seen all of the TV show, so I'm curious how the books differ from The Expanse. I'd definitely recommend all of these books, just on the basis that the TV show is like a Sci-Fi Magnum Opus. I'd even go so far as to say the TV show is actually better than the books, only because they expand a lot on the intricate detail from the books to make it much more visually striking and immersive.

I'm also working through Rogue Protocol by Martha Wells. It's book 3 in the murderbot series. All of them have been fun so far.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Absolutely love Murderbot! A big fan.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Another Murderbot fan here! It was such a treat to read when I stumbled across it a couple of years ago.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Same! Quick to read, fun writing and I love the characters. One of my most recommended Sci fi series to friends.

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