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86% of New US Electric Utility Generation Capacity Coming from Non-Fossil Fuels in 2023::In 2023, Non-Fossil Fuel Sources Will Account for 86% of New Electric Utility Generation Capacity in the United States

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Considering that this is new capacity, not total capacity, it's a fucking absurd outrage that it's anything less than 100.0%.

Every percentage point less than that represents us continuing to make the problem even worse even though we goddamn well know better!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

What a fucking moron a politician has to be to allow addition of new fossil fueled energy sources, along with everyone who is supposed to supervise that process.

It’s just another sign of the sheer insanity this world is infected with.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I don't care what the excuses are; they aren't valid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

That's what nuclear is for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] niisyth 3 points 2 years ago

Not always cheap or even feasible. Renewable generation has gotten quite cheap but storage will take a bit to catch on.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

How are batteries generating electricity?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They don't, obviously, but what they do is charge when the spot price for electricity is low, and then discharge when it's higher.

While not exclusively the case, this drop in price most typically occurs when you have a higher amount of electricity being generated than being consumed, which is usually because of high amounts of renewables because the unit cost of renewables is essentially 0. For example, the middle of the day at peak solar, or windy nights. Fossil fuel generators are burning a commodity with a substantially higher unit cost, so they will mostly turn off (where possible) during these times.

This is why batteries are often counted under renewable, because they shift an abundance of renewable power in to times when there is less or none.

Personally I don't think we should really be considering the extensive use of rare earth metals as renewable, but that's a separate point.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I fully understand their benefit to make better use of renewable energy sources. But they are not net-generating power, so their inclusion in the graph is still somewhat misleading.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

We should be calling them "cleaner" not "renewable." Clean isn't even really accurate when it comes to their manufacture and construction, but better than coal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Single use precharged ones do. Maybe they burned through their stock of batteries for their tv remotes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah I saw that and laughed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I think this looks better than it is. Sure, new energy generation coming from green sources is good but proportionally of existing sources it’s very small.

Total energy generated in US is 4 trillion KWh

56 billion KWh out of 4000 billion kWh is small.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You can easily check the percentage of electricity generated by non-fossil fuel sources. By that metric Wind and Solar already surpassed coal in 2022. Ofcourse, total energy also includes transportation and other sectors so that is a different metric. In that case, non-fossil fuel energy accounted for 21% of all energy consumed in the US in 2022.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Even worse, I'd image those numbers are installed capacity, not utilised.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But still 18% Non-Renewable...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

The only thing that bothered me is that there is still a net increase in electricity produced using gas :/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not to be confused with about a third of all generation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The APPA report there uses "nameplate capacity", which they define as "capacity labeled as operating and restarted as well as capacity that is on standby and mothballed", which means plants sitting unused are still counted. The EIA gives actual generation:

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

The numbers are in the same ballpark, but not the same. Percentage-wise, solar and nuclear are quite a bit higher with EIA's numbers, while wind and natural gas are a bit lower.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would say that anyone with basic reading comprehension understands the title of the news piece.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I would say if it were the case we would not have clickbaity titles.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Finally, a good step from US.