/r/50501 Mirror

it's wild that only 55% of you guys want a fairer health care system

Ok but now is not a good time to disarm

Clearly people aren't voting the same way they're answering surveys. I don't see how forming a new party will make that happen.

70% couldn't ve bothered voting knowing it meant democracy's end

Good intentions are important Americans, but you cannot make the world a better place just by having good intentions and navel gazing

Two things.

One, I would get a gun and find a trustworthy community if I were a leftist or minority American.

As much as I despise guns, if shit gets Gilead bad, you'll probably be happy to have it.

As for community, if you don't have one yet, I would recommend joining either a socialist club or a progressive/traditional (i.e. not racist) Christian church. A black church (think MLK), or a pride flag flying liberal Church (think John Brown).

When Nazi's invaded my country, these were the two communities that actually resisted, by fighting back and helping people hide and escape. In times of slavery, socialism wasn't yet a thing, so the abolitionists and underground railroad people were progressive Christians. Jesus was the OG socialist and these communities live it.

Only a little more than half support Medicare for all? Is this a terminology issue, or are 45% of Americans that terrible?

This is a better platform than the Dems provided in 2024. Upvoted and cross-posted.

These numbers are bullshit.

Who in their right mind actually believes Americans prefer gun control to: abortion care, legal weed, gay marriage, higher minimum wage, and home ownership.

Like regardless of what you or I want for America, that's an actual load of shit. Too many people love their guns, there's literally more guns than people here.

The current two party system doesn't represent what the majority wants. Both parties work for the super wealthy. Until we get rid of the Democratic and Republican parties nothing good will happen.

AOC and Bernie are tearing up things! Support them everywhere! Especially on social media.

Our entire US system is set up to make it so that it is essentially (literally) impossible for a third party to win. This article gives a decent basic overview of why: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4947662-why-a-third-party-presidential-candidate-can-never-win/

I think you need to somehow get money out of politics or these majorities will continue to be divided.

That's not how you cite a source - the point of a citation is to allow the reader to trace, and evaluate, the source of a claim, and the methodology used to arrive there. I get that it's impractical to do a full bibliography, but the way this poster just 'cites' a bunch of organizations without tracing specific claims to specific publications detracts from the argument. We should be better than the enemy who make claims and respond with "do your own research" when challenged. Part of the reason why we're in this mess is because we stopped supporting, or trusting, the process behind evidence-based science. If we make these claims, can't we link to a site that lists the actual papers behind the claims? Otherwise this whole stuff is vulnerable to the argument that "this is a radical left delusion and fake news". Fascist propaganda shouldn't be resisted in kind, that just drags us down to their level.

Be all that as it may, but sweet fuck all percent of you actually vote, so what difference will it make?

I’m sad that trans rights aren’t on the list there, not surprised with how awful things are but still sad

I don't believe e any of these numbers.

Any party that tries to be created with populism but ignores the materialist analyist of how we got to this point and how to combat reactionary thinking and regressivism (which is conservatism, which is why its a universal flaw) will only fall to the same tactics and pitfalls that have led us to this division in the first place. We need a true worker's parry that understands that division of power and group interests lay on class lines (capitalists vs workers) and not on any of the manufacturered scapegoat ones. Progressive ideas are popular yes, but they need to come with actual systematic analysis or they will just morph into right-wing populism through lack of critical thinking and bad actors.

Then fucking vote like it

Then why didn't they fucking vote for it?

I agree with almost all of these but some of these numbers were definitely pulled out of someone’s ass

I appreciate and agree with the sentiment, but I think a call to form an entirely new political party demonstrates a naivety with regards to how the American political system works. It's just not going to happen. A third party will NEVER displace one of the two major parties without massive changes to the electoral system that would likely require a Constitutional Amendment.

Our system and political culture is just not structured to allow for 3rd parties. What's more, the 2 major parties have ingrained themselves into the system so much that they have MASSIVE institutional advantages over a 3rd party.

This will never be a successful effort. I think a better goal would be to co-opt and take over the Democratic Party, booting out all the Vichy collaborationists like Schumer, Jefferies, Newsom, Adams, Pelosi, etc, and remaking the party.

With a new 3rd party, best case scenario is it has 0 impact. If it does get any votes, it'll just divide the anti-fascist vote with the Democrats (and any other 3rd parties) making it even more difficult to win.

The 2 biggest demographics of growing gun owners are women of color and trans people.

The idea that we should disarm the working class to further concentrate weapons in the hands of militarized forces who are known for abusing their power with impunity is just moronic.

I think the 50501 movement is more tepid centrist neo liberalism and thats the last thing we need here. We need real leftism. You dint fight the far rught with the right leaning center you fight it with leftism. And karl marx one of the fathers of modern leftist thinking said it best/“ any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated by force if necessary” the government acting like a nanny state and prohibiting things deemed dangerous by those at the top is never effective. Drugs and alcohol prohibition onky made things worse except for those profiting from exploiting prohibition

90% of the US don't want more gun control laws. As a percentage that would be saying that every state in the US except Texas wants more gun laws ... it's not right.

I consider myself liberal, but would never support taking away someone's rights. Own all the guns and even a fucking tank if you want ... but you will go to jail if you harm someone with them.

We were given the right to have firearms for the exact situation that is happening now.