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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

  • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
  • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
  • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Elon needs to take responsibility for their death.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

That's why Tesla's full self driving is officially still a level 2 cruise control. But of course they promise to jump directly to level 4 soon™.

[–] arrakark 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What bike is that in the photo?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

My partner and I were actually debating that exact question before I posted it!

It's just stock art, but of a rider in the Midwest. Custom exhaust, custom saddle and rack for that cafe racer look, and I just barely can't make out the model on the engine fairing.

Here it is all big, let me know if you can figure it out: https://unsplash.com/photos/a-person-riding-a-motorcycle-on-a-city-street-kPfwWyUWubA

Looks hot, that's why I picked it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

It looks a great deal like a Royal Enfield, but I couldn't tell you which model. A Bullet, maybe?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Good to know, I'll stay away from those damn things when I ride.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Commuting in CA feels like I’m navigating a minefield 🤡

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I already do. Flip a coin: Heads, the car is operating itself and is therefore being operated by a moron. Tails, the owner is driving it manually and therefore it is being operated by a moron.

Just be sure to carefully watch your six when you're sitting at a stoplight. I've gotten out of the habit of sitting right in the center of the lane, because the odds are getting ever higher that I'll have to scoot out of the way of some imbecile who's coming in hot. That's hard to do when your front tire is 24" away from the license plate of the car in front of you.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm wondering how that stacks up to human drivers. Since the data is redacted I'm guessing not well at all.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Self driving vehicles should be against the law.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

teslas aren't even worthy of the designation "self-driving". They use cheap cameras instead of LIDAR. It should be illegal to call such junk "self-driving".

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