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Germany’s centre-Right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party and the centre-Left Social Democrats (SPD), which are holding coalition talks, have proposed a law that will block people with multiple extremism convictions from standing in elections.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

On the topic of cordon sanitaire (the practice of never forming a coalition with far-right parties, no matter how well they perform in elections):

Me pre-2016: "Isn't that kinda counter to democracy?"

Me in 2025: "Outlaw and deport the fuckers, please!"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As much as I'm a fan of keeping Nazis out of government, holy fuck is this a bad idea!
A judge shouldn't be able to ban anyone from running for office.
This is what Russia does. Ban you from running if you're convicted of "extremism", then define that to include opposing the government.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Disappointing that this isn't the overwhelming response; and shows how dangerously close to fascism a lot of the supposedly 'anti fascist' respondents actually are.

To ban a thing, you'd better first clearly define what it is.

Right/Left are poor descriptors of often complex political stances, with 'far right' being no easier.

Clearly a dangerous path. Those beying for 'a ban on far right' need to take a pause and think, it's like they've forgotten what nuance is.

Better to a) fund the teaching of critical thinking and humanistic morality through the education system; and b) foster domestic economic policies that maximise opportunities for your citizens so they don't feel disenfranchised in large numbers.

That will help prevent the emergence of tribalistic, insular, moral-absolutist behaviour closer to the root.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Calling the SPD anything but a luke warm pudding is a lie.

They are literally neither right noir left. They just bend to whatever coqlition they get into.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

They are staunch defenders of rightwing policy when they are in coalitions with parties that are more leftwing than they are. See: Gerhard Schröder's Agenda 2010.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Nope. The SPD defending the AFD. Faeser stops the publication of a report, which would label the whole AFD as a party fighting the constitution. They actively work sending refugees to countries like Afghanistan, help to criminalize climate and Palestine activists and so forth.

The only left leaning thing they actively fought for in the last term in government was raising the minimum wage a bit. Everything else which was decent left leaning policy was brought through mainly by the Greens. Sometimes even the FDP had to rightly fight the insane policies of the SPD.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Diverse views here, even within our lemmy 'bubble', suggest it's not obvious what to do about this (and similar situation in France and other european countries). Banning either individuals or parties can set a risky precedent and does not necessarily diminish a movement. I'd rather go for gradually (but rapidly) changing norms about acceptable campaigning, propaganda, use of social media, 'fake' news (lies). That includes faster-acting legal restrictions on funding, ownership, facts/fakes, algorithms, etc.. , as well as positively strengthening alternatives like our fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Would basically get rid of 50-60% of voted parties. At least 25%.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's a really bad idea - forcing your own political opinions is a key characteristic of the 'fascism' you claim to want to ban.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

genocide supporting germanys already facist enough, I wouldnt trust them bringing laws of supression.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (6 children)

While the idea sounds good I don’t think anyone should be setting a precedent to say it’s okay for elected governments to ban opposition parties from running based on their political views. Ultimately the people should hold the power.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Nah, that's the paradox of tolerance. A democracy cannot allow fascists to run without dismantling itself. Also fascism and other "political views" that dehumanize are not a political view, they are chargeable criminal offenses in many countries.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wehrhafte Demokratie macht BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

There allready is precedent for banning parties. History and current events both show that people are fully ready to vote fascists into power. And also, you know what's one of the big reasons so many people vote for fascists? Fascist propaganda. Banning fascist parties will help have fewer fascist citizens around (at least after a while).

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

People are easily manipulated. There needs to be some guardrails.

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