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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unless you are on NVidia or need X11 specific things (E.g. a lot of the accessability stuff) I would go for Wayland, it still has some issues but so dose X11 and Wayland is simply the new display server from the xorg foundation because X11 was impossible to properly update by now, it has far too much lagacy code and didn't get any new version in ages for that reason.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

X11 because Discord is unusable for me on Wayland, and I use it every day.

Edit: I recently switched to a 7800 XT (was using a 3080), and the discord problem was either solved since the last time I tried it, or not being on nvidia helps - no more weird input lag etc. in discord, so I've moved over to Wayland finally.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Both of them have issues depending on the setup. X11 has worked flawlessly in my experience. Wayland has worked the same for most.

Personally, Wayland still has some growing pains, especially in regards to Input handling (mouse, keyboard, etc). In X11 it was "trivial" to edit one file and have the settings stick across different WMs (switching from DWM to i3, etc.) There's no standard for this with Wayland since it's up to the compositor to handle these things, meaning you're relearning how to do something as basic as setting pointer speed each time you try a new compositor. This is my only real fair gripe about it currently, as the rest of my complaints are just due to how young a lot of the Wayland-specific tools are - this will improve with time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Either way is fine usually. If you really care about 1:1 trackpad gestures like I do, get Wayland. If you have an nvidia card, get x11. Otherwise it’s probably not something most people will even notice.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

x11 cuz xfce also .. i want a just working system^^

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I still use X11 because one of my necessary voip apps (mumble) doesn't yet support wayland's method of global hotkeys.

Otherwise I don't particularly care one way or the other.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Hyprland has an option of forwarding any hotkey to an application, essentially allowing for global hotkeys in all apps, including Discord for which it doesn't work normally.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

X11 because KDE cut some features for Wayland (some that will be cut in Plasma 6 X11 too, yay) and some apps just don't support wayland for technical reasons.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

X11 for xdotool. ydotool doesn't support (& can't really support with it's current architecture) retrieving information like the current mouse location, current window, window dimensions & titles. Also, normal (unprivileged) user ydotool use requires udev rules or session scripts and/or running a ydotool daemon & many distros don't yet ship with this Just Working.

X11 for Alt-F2 r to restart Gnome Shell without ending the whole session. This is a useful workaround for a variety of Gnome bugs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

X11 because my current setup on Wayland crashes constantly, otherwise always Wayland.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Wayland, works better with games. Unless it's star citizen, then x11 because it somehow breaks the elevators

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Wayland. It's super smooth and supports new display features.

Everything works, but I don't really use global keyboard shortcuts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honest question: what does i3wm that swaywm doesn't?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Currently on Wayland with AMD. Only issue is I cannot Steam remote play without relogging into X11, but that is a very infrequent occasion.

Everything else (mostly gaming) works very well for me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

FWIW remote play is fine on GNOME here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

KDE here and definitely was not fine last I tried. I'll keep messing with it though out of curiosity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

You can use the pipewire capture to do the remote play on wayland session.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I use xpra which lets me run persistent seamless windows from my VMs and remote servers. It would probably work okay with xwayland but i might as well keep using X. I understand why people use Wayland though and would recommend it to newcomers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I found waypipe to fit that role over LAN at least.

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