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I'm 32, I remember using the internet before google was a thing, discovering flashy websites, hanging out on all kinds of internet forums and chatrooms, ebaums world, MySpace, new grounds... I rember when YouTube was just starting off and it was exploding with all kinds of content.

I joined Facebook in 2005, I remember when it was the talk of the town, it used to actually kind of be decent, all the content was from actual real world peers.

I remember when pages became a thing, and you could like certain topics, and then eventually it unfolded into something enterely different, I remember when it became New Facebook, and there became a chatbar. And then eventually it became a cespool of garbage.

I remember when reddit was at it's prime, I discovered it in 2011, I spent hours scrolling and engaging in discussion. The content was always new and original, every day on Reddit my mind got blown by something, this is before all the algorithms, and when upvotes and down votes actually dictated where your post would be jn the feed. You could litterally refresh your page and watch your vote counts.

Since then I've watched it change, I could always tell something felt off about it over the past few years.

Everytime I would google something on the net on my phone and click a Reddit link, I would be prompted to install the app. I tried it and it was shit. Once upon a time I could just open Reddit is Fun through the browser. Reddit made it impossible to do that.

Since discovering this place a few weeks ago now, I have been hit with a familiar feeling, and that is I am actually enjoying my time here as much as I did on Reddit in the early 2010s.

The communities are more grounded, there is no bot activity, my big long posts aren't deleted after posting them due to shitty rules.

I like how it feels free, and everyone agrees to just follow the rules of the community and if the post isn't quite fitting, people can vote on that, as it should be.

Thank you all for restoring something that was once great, I really thought there was no chance in hell people would get away from those platforms. I always told people we need a new website, a new Reddit, and I guess this is it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Internet forums that were based on phpBB and other popular scripts were one of the best parts of the internet that Reddit and Facebook shamelessly killed with the applause of the netizens. Centralization of those forums was a huge regression and it felt like we went to a point that was worse than Web 1.0. I feel like Lemmy is a return of that forum culture that made the internet great.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Man this takes me back... I also remember the early days of the internet, browsing it on my dad's computer. I miss these dumb times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

You nailed just about everything that I've been enjoying about Lemmy, too!

To me, it's definitely reminiscent of reddit circa 2011-2012. There aren't any bots yet, so discussions feel more grounded; and it has a similar air of wonder to it, like people are still excited for both what the community is and what it can be.

...Except for the sorting. Sorting by Subscribed or Local feel reddit-ish, with the former being a self-curated feed and the latter being a broader discovery feed of whatever going on in your chosen instance. Sorting by All, though, feels a bit like stepping back to my old high-school 4chan days, but with less sharpies in buttholes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

This is my first time feeling part of an online community, it's amazing!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Is there anything here in the lemmiverse that prevents bot activity?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would think there's got to be some sort of spam protection operating, at the very least.

[–] CoffeeBlood91 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sure the programers have stuff up their sleeves.

AI is our biggest threat, it's gotten to be easy for AI to be trained to use the internet and engage in discussion. I just hope when that stuff exponetially takes off, it doesn't invade Lemmy.

AI is much like an invasive species, but rather than in nature, it's online.

Cyberwar incoming? Who's to know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Indeed, I was just engaged in a similar discussion on another thread, and pointed out the retro feel of discovering a new, blossoming internet community - and the fact that there are seemingly real people behind the posts here. At the moment, I think that all that's protecting us is that we are not yet on the radar of conversational bots, nor big enough to be of interest YET. I do think the decentralised platform is a very clever idea for social networking, and yes, I hope the devs have some ideas to combat the inevitable incoming AIs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

They will definitely to ban bot activity. On Reddit bots became sort of accepted, if they can atleast moderate automatic post activity, that is a start.

My biggest concern is for when the bots can post on an untimely matter at random instances.

I could litterally be a bit just replying to posts at a natural human pace, based off of some sort of Redditors writing style if you catch my drift.

I am sure it's just a matter of time. AI detectors are good, but not that good. It will get to the point where the most believable posts are the ones with spelling mistakes and poor grammar, Infact human error would make for a good watermark.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

An account has to specifically change a setting on their profile so it can be a bot, so maybe people can use something to filter on that.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, ever since I first arrived on kbin, I’ve felt like a breeze is passing through me. It took me a while to realize, but then it hit me: it’s because I’m not enraging Redditors every day by just opening my mouth.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

We did it Fediverse!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'm a few years younger, but my sentiments are the same. I became a denizen of the Internet towards the end of the golden era of forums.
Due to scepticism, I didn't join Reddit until fairly late (~2018).

It didn't quite feel the same, but it did scratch the itch - but over the last few years it did feel like it was changing into something else. Quality content was getting buried under a sea of bot-generated reposts, and the sense of community kind died off. I ended up becoming quite the lurker towards the end.

Being here has awoken that old forum user in me, and while I may not be great at generating posts, it has made me want to reply and comment to stuff again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, it does feel a bit like that!

I first experienced the "world wide web" in 1995. I'm not saying it's exactly like that, but in some way kbin reminds me of earlier simpler times on the web. I've only been on here for two days.

Best way I can describe it: really feels like the start of something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

my first ISP was EarthLink πŸ˜€

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm much younger so I never really got to use these smaller forums, I grew up with a centralised and corporate internet where everyone used the same handful of websites. And then began the enshittification. All the sites I used started getting worse with every update so I stopped using them one by one, with the most recent one being reddit. Moving to the fediverse made me realise just how little I was actually enjoying those sites. I wasn't browsing them for content or for discussion, I was browsing them because I was addicted. Uninstalling the apps and deleting my accounts has done wonders for my mental health, and the smaller community here is so much nicer and more welcoming than the toxic ocean that is social media.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It's interesting how different the perspective of a youngin' who starting using the internet after corporations had already gotten their hands on it is. Heck, even you notice the difference between now and 5 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Right? Being on kbin makes me feel like a teenager hanging out on forums again, it's nice

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is great again! Mastodon was cool but lemmy is epic!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

My only real problem with Mastodon is its presentation of material. Never really liked Twitter, didn’t like the individual focus. This? I like. Interests are abstracted from the individual.

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