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Having a debate with an Italian guy about who is the bigger club and I think it's close.

Both have won their domestic league 19 times and Milan have 1 more Champions League.

Milan probably have more well known legends like Van Basten, Kaka, Maldini, Gullit and Pirlo. But in recent years Liverpool have had Gerrard, Suarez, Alonso, VVD and Salah.

The current popularity of the Premier League helps Liverpool but Milan also has a huge fanbase.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Has to be Milan, but both clubs are huge

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It’s pretty comfortably Liverpool

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In terms of domestic success, Milan is much further behind Juventus, who have almost twice as many league titles, than Liverpool is behind Man Utd (the difference is just one league title). In terms of continental success, they both have 9 trophies (not counting supercups), with Milan having 1 more UCL/EC. So I’d say that Liverpool is far more dominant domestically and they are on par in European competitons, with LFC being much better overall in the last 10-15 years. Milan did have more all time greats, but they can’t attract players of that level anymore.

I’d say they are clubs of equal status historically, but certainly Liverpool has a bigger status in recent times and is slightly more successful overall (due to Milan lagging far behind Juve in Serie A).

And I’d like to add that it’s quite likely that European record in the late 80s would look very different if Liverpool weren’t banned from competing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Milan and by far.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's Liverpool. It's close, but it's Liverpool.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ah shit, why would you ask something so heart wrenching.?!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Milan has a bigger stadium, better known legends, play in an affluent city, and has great history and traditions.

Liverpool is worth billions more , has more fans, and is better on the pitch. They also have the history and traditions.

It's a tough question to answer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Better on the pitch is just current...not the most important criteria for overall bigger club I'd think

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You pretty much answered to the question with those points

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

besides maldini who are milan’s well know (e.g. household name) legends? definitely think liverpool has more

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The whole 2005 milan are well known legends

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Which is ironic because Liverpool beat them in the final that year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

How old are you? Don't mean it as a bad thing, but there's so many legendary names that played for Milan.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The Milano Generation comprised of Marco van Basten, one of the greatest strikers of all time, Ruud Gullit, who could play every position on the pitch except keeper, Frank Rijkaard, one of the two greatest defensive midfielders of all time, Paulo Maldini, the greatest full-back of all time, Franco Baresi, one of the greatest centre-backs of all time, managed by Arrigo Sacchi, the founder of pressing and later manager Fabio Capello, who won the Scudetto unbeaten in his first season succeeding Arrigo, is frequently considered the greatest club team in the 20th century and sometimes the greatest team of all time.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is the prosperity of the city they play in relevant?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I also don’t think prosperity is the right word, but the point remains that Milan is the bigger city of the two

Liverpool has around 500K population, while Milan is almost triple that, and around a 3.5M metropolitan area around it, and with several global brands headquartered there etc etc

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I’m not sure where the “bigger legends” thing is coming from. Souness, Dalglish, Rush, Barnes, Hansen and Keegan are some of the best players to ever play in England.

Then there’s the semi-recent players like Gerrard, Carragher, Owen, Fowler, Suarez and Alonso who were all great players. Even more recent there’s Mane, Firmino and Coutinho who are some of the best to play in the Premier League. Currently there’s Alisson, Van Dijk and Salah who are all time greats.

I’m sure you could do a similar list for Milan and I’m not saying Liverpool’s legends are definitely “better”, but I don’t think the conversation can just be brushed under the carpet.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The bigger question is why anyone thinks this is important?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (17 children)

The big historic 7 European Supergiants are Bayern Munich, Liverpool, Manchester United, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus and AC Milan.

Real Madrid are probably top of that list but there's arguments about the order of the other 6.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I honestly think it’s Liverpool comfortably.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think Liverpool’s more famous and has more fans. A lot of that’s because the Prem is much bigger world wide than Serie A. For example, Liverpool’s got 3x more followers on Instagram.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Literally everything is orders of magnitude more widely known if it’s English or just in English

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think I probably depends how old you are, for the modern era I would say Liverpool

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Alonso, VVD and Salah? If you count them, you need to mention a lot more Milan's players like Sedorf, Cafu, Baresi, Inzaghi, Shevchenko, Nesta... I probably missed quite a few.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Milan have more legends and more iconic players but Liverpool are the bigger club. Both similarly decorated but Liverpool have a far bigger fan base. Milan's history is just factually cooler tho. Idc who you are

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

AC Milan

Liverpool are huge but Milan are bigger

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of the Liverpool legends would even touch the Milan legends bench

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Milan is slightly bigger since it has more Champions League wins than Liverpool, thus being more traditional and having more continental presence. You can say that Liverpool had more recent success, but recent success does not make a club big (Looking at you, Blue Manchester).

The fact that Serie A is not as big as the Premiership (this now, because the Serie A was huge in the 90's) should not be something to consider, it's not Milan's choice to be on that league or not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not a Liverpool fan or anything but I'd put them alongside Real Madrid, Man U and Barca as the most popular team in the world from a legacy standpoint. Milan for sure up there but not to the same level

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Milan all day. From a totally unbiased manu supporter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m an AC Milan fan and I’d still say Liverpool tbh

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

BoringPhilosopher1

You are very active on the Liverpool reddit page for being a Milan fan lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Milan is more than football (fashion design, business, fast cars, facism/mussoini etc).. While Liverpool is purely football (if you look away from 4 guys who made a band in the 50s/60s). That makes Liverpool FC a bigger name in Liverpool than AC Milan would be in Milan. Liverpool is famous because of its football club, while Milan is not.

To some degree you can say that Liverpool are one of those town/cities that is famous because of its football.. Milan would have had a name anyways. Visiting Anfield is one of Liverpools (the city's) main-attraction, while san siro is not a main attraction of Milano..That's the difference. Football is everything in Liverpool, while in Milano it's just one of several thing.. So howcome Milan be a bigger club, when they're not even the most important thing in the city.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Milan and it’s not even close

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Milan are famous for their style of play back in the glorious periods with the Flying Dutch, Arrigo Sacchi, Fabio Capello, Carlo Ancelotti...etc. In terms of football, it did make difference with Liverpool whose football identity is an unknown. Personally, I've never heard of Liverpool style of play.

Regarding other stuffs, it's difficult to compare Milan vs Liverpool since they're both ones of the biggest clubs in the world

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Milan is a bigger club. Liverpool is more popular.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Milan. 2nd biggest club in the world.than bayern, than barca, than Liverpool

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two things here that I believe make Liverpool the better of the two. 1, the Premiere League and it’s historical equivalents is indisputably far harder than Serie A and it’s historical equivalents. 2, a huge amount of corruption in the Italian game was responsible for some (some) of Milan’s success.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Milan for most of the time it was near the top clubs in the world, it was playing in serie a, which was far more competitive, with far more star/quality players across the seven sisters (Milan, juve, inter, Roma, Lazio, Fiorentina, Parma) than anything Liverpool have competed against in the premier league. Only after 2005 did the premier league start to overtake serie a, but that was 17 years already of Milan being right up there.

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