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Tbh I'm glad they're actually enforcing the neutral zone. It's been a gray area for years.
Next do illegal formation and illegal motion.
I feel like they’ve done a lot more illegal formation and illegal motion too this year
Anyone who actually saw those plays knows they were not offsides, especially the second one. It was egregious.
The second call he absolutely was. The first was much less clear
Isn’t the real story that the Packers aren’t showing the team the weekly video that covers the points of emphasis or aren’t having the position coaches communicator the relevant points to the players?
Both times he was called for it he was well behind the ball. Neither time, was anyone even CLOSE to being offsides. It was only called because they tried to QB sneak, and nothing more. If all 10 players lined up 10 yards behind the center, they still would have called offsides.
Dude he was clearly lined up with the center on the second penalty. The first was tacky, the second definitely offsides
I think the Green Bay Packers are trying to phase out scoring points by lining up offsides, personally
Feels like Packers making at-least 1 bone headed offensive line penalty per drive.
While that may be true the NFL has called offsides on us multiple times this season when we've never been offsides. They keep trying to saying Kelce's hand is Dickerson's hand, when it's not. It's Kelce's and he's allowed to put his hand in the neutral zone.
It’s because Kelce routinely pushes the ball forward when he grabs it off the original line of scrimmage. Some refs are actually able to recognize what the true LOS is and are calling it correctly.
Every time this has happened I’m pretty sure the defense has actually been offsides
You are almost seeing the whole picture then. The ball is placed by the ref. Kelce extends the ball once his hand is on it. This makes it appear the defense is offsides, unless you knew it was the center who extended his arm a foot or two forward. And if you didn't notcie that the center extended his arm forward, it would look as if somebody on defense is offsides. This is what refs have been looking for this year after being tipped off about it in the offseason.
The refs are professionals they would never get a call wrong how dare you! /s
In defense of the referee, he’s looking down the line past 3 other bodies from the sideline. It’s not exactly easy to figure out whose arm is in the neutral zone. I’m not saying it’s the right call, but you guys aren’t intentionally getting screwed over
I knew those casuals were getting lazy when they didn't bother to find a HoF QB in the draft.
Please stop tempting fate. Good things are finally happening...
Man that Sunday game was painful to watch on both sides. We were an absolute disaster but y’all sure did everything you could to keep us in it.
Yeah. We're all about the competition over here.
I dont know why the NFL has such a hard on for altering the game of football
Because they don't see QB sneaks as "exciting" so they'll throw a flag for offsides and kill a drive so the fans can see the most electrifying play in all of sports entertainment, the punt
Gotta get those change of possession ads in
Punt returns are pretty exciting if it isn't just a fair catch.
so the fans can see ~~the most electrifying play in all of sports entertainment, the punt~~ more commercials
FTFY
Because to the NFL its not a sport its an entertainment product. They weren't pushing the Swifty nonsense so hard because it was good for the game, only because it was good for their bottom line.
Try to ban a play that only one team can pull off is stupid. Watched multiple teams try it and fail..
"You know what's more fun than watching an offense sustain a drive? Penalties and punts" - the league office, apparently
When did Kirk Ferentz get a side gig in the NFL office?
I'd honestly much rather watch teams trade 3 and outs playing actual football than watch this rugby nonsense every time it's 3rd and 3 or shorter
Solution for this is to bench the offending OL man the entire game. Offensive line holding calls and offside penalties can murder any cadence or rhythm that may be fostering on any drive to the end zone. This has worked wonders for me in Madden for players that have horrible discipline.
They've called offsides on the Eagles twice this year on our guards, and both times it was incorrect because the hands they were seeing were actually Kelce's
It’s very clearly a “point of emphasis”. The only real reason to emphasize that rule all of a sudden is for the refs to make the tush push more difficult and split the difference while the competition committee makes up their mind whether to just ban it.
It was on Runyan though for even giving them a chance to call it after the first one
Seems you might be the only one who read the article here
The only real reason to emphasize that rule all of a sudden is for the refs to make the tush push more difficult
Or, because teams are openly and obviously committing penalties that aren't getting enforced on these rules in order to gain a competitive advantage. That seems like another "real reason" to emphasize this rule.
Should just go back to nobody can push the ball carrier forward, same as defense can't as of now.
Couldn't push ball carrier until 2005.
People get up in arms as if the NFL changing the rules to influence the way the game is played is unprecedented.
Some stuff is more likely to injure players, so they change the rules. People have more fun watching the NFL all season when the stars are healthy. Maybe you don't get that wild flying tackle on a QB making a highlight, but you also get 40 more highlights from the QB who isn't on injured reserve the rest of the year.
Unpopular opinion: just change the rule so all you have to do is wrap up a QB if they're in the pocket and don't even tackle them anymore. Aaron Rogers getting injured on drive 1 is boring. I would've rather seen him play. Anthony Richardson was electric. I'd rather see him play. Guys like AR would probably still get injured because of how they play, but let QBs be safe from injury in the pocket and just wrap them up.
With the current rules protecting passers, that's essentially all linemen are doing, anyway. They are just falling down once they wrap them up which is kind of irrelevant. You could still try to whack the ball out of their hand if you wanted and "violently" wrap them up. Just don't bring them to the ground.
QB sneak? Boring. Just make it against the rules, who cares? lol.
The pet theory that I've been working on, but not yet able to adequately express to my satisfaction, is that the NFL is worried about defenses getting so frustrated that they A: start engaging in dangerous behavior to try and stop it or B: say "fuck it" and take the play off to try and regroup on the next series of downs
So you have the safety concerns, which I think are more legitimate, or some sort of scenario where there's an unspoken agreement that 3rd and 9 is a gimme and you can see it on the field that both sides are just going through the motions for a play, thus DEVALUAING THE PRODUCT
but who the hell knows, refs might just not be very good at accurately determining if 22 men are lined up perfectly along an axial plane
refs might just not be very good at accurately determining if 22 men are lined up perfectly along an axial plane
I think this is also likely. It's not something easy to eyeball.
I think we kind of started to see it happen, Ive definitely noticed more defenses trying to dive over the piles on QB sneaks. The Vikings did it to Purdy and it likely was the play that caused his concussion and we won the game because of it.
I mean the qb getting injured should be a reason that offenses don’t call it every time 🤷🏻♂️
defenses getting so frustrated that they A: start engaging in dangerous behavior to try ~~and stop it~~ injure the QB
its less to try and stop it, and more that they know that with QB sneaks of this type that they won't get called for anything. I've seen cheap shots at hurts at an alarming rate on these plays. Luckily he is one of the few that is almost always basically under/between guys so the attempts fail.
I mean, it's been kind of obvious. And by kind of, I mean very. Eagles are getting called offsides at least once a game on the tush push now. More than once the offsides wasn't even called on the right player. More than once they were called offsides while the defense actively had defenders not only in the neutral zone, but with their hand(s) under or past the ball. Truth be told, its cowardly and craven of the NFL to do so while the play continues to be legal. If you're going to ban it at the next coach's meeting then do so, but don't penalize a team for abiding by the actual rules.
They're doing a better job enforcing a rule?
Oh no!
Nobody in here has any videos of the "offside that wasn't offside" calls people keep talking about? Can't find them.
Sneaky.
Woah... at least 1 sideline ref is also super concerned about the OL alignment on field goals too. It isn't all about QB sneaks.
Philly could win the super Bowl running the tush push every other play
Our olinemen have said it’s physically exhausting to run that play. I don’t think they could run it every other play.
It’s not a cheat code. It’s technique, strength, and conditioning just like everything else on both sides of the trenches.
And what does his father think? Former OT Jon Runyan Sr. is currently an appeals officer for the NFL and conduct/discipline.
“Apparently, they send out a weekly video talking about that,” Runyan said. “Apparently, that was in the weekly video but I had no idea. I didn’t even know they sent out a weekly video on points of emphasis
Bruh