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Carnivore

The ultimate, zero carb, elimination diet

Meat Heals.

We are focused on health and lifestyle while trying to eat zero carb bioavailable foods.

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  1. Be nice
  2. Stay on topic
  3. Don't farm rage
  4. Be respectful of other diets, choices, lifestyles!!!!
  5. No Blanket down voting - If you only come to this community to downvote its the wrong community for you
  6. No LLM generated posts . Don't represent machine output as your own, and don't use machines to burn human response time.

Other terms: LCHF Carnivore, Keto Carnivore, Ketogenic Carnivore, Low Carb Carnivore, Zero Carb Carnivore, Animal Based Diet, Animal Sourced Foods


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There are many dietary patterns available and in the zeitgeist.

MacroNutrient

On the macronutrient scale we have 3^3 (27) choices, the most common are:

  • HCHFLP - High Carb, High Fat, Low Protein : This is the "standard"/default western diet
  • HCLFMP - High Carb, Low Fat, Medium Protein: This is the default "healthy" diet recommended by media
  • HCLFHP - High Carb, Low Fat, High Protein: A body builder bulking diet
  • MCLFHP - Medium Carb, Low Fat, High Protein: Body builder cutting diet
  • LCHFMP - Low Carb, High Fat, Moderate Protein : A diet that maintains the metabolic state of ketosis

MicroNutrients Inside of any macronutrient regime there are essential micronutrients/minerals that are required. Essential means the body does not have the ability to produce them from other sources. There are too many to list here, but using a diet tool like chronometer (free and can use the website) will let you see if your covering your micronutrient targets (Recommend Daily Intakes). One note is that the RDAs are usually minimums (though in some contexts may be more then necessary).

Cronometer example micronutrient display

Importantly, VERY importantly, not all foods are ingested by the human body the same, so the amount on the label is not the same that ends up in the body. This is a good paper discussing the bioavailabilty measurements of food, DIAAS seems to be the best scoring system out there to date.

Whole Foods

Regardless of macro and micro nutrient choices, the evidence, and consensus across medical professionals, and zealots, is that eating whole foods from natural sources that are not industrialized and hyper processed is a good guide to health and better outcomes.

If the ingredients for what you are eating are more complex than the name of the thing, you shouldn't eat it. Don't eat food from a factory out of a box and wrapped in plastic!

I.e. shop the outside edge of the grocery store, not the aisles in the middle.

This might be somewhat controversial, but I would include modern seed oils as a type of processed food to be avoided on a Whole food Diet. No vegetable oils that come from a factory please!

Low Carb High Fat / Ketogenic

The LCHF, ketogenic/keto/atkins, macronutrient profile has many benefits - Increasing insulin sensitivity and reducing the issues insulin resistance causes (obesity, hyper tension, pcos, diabetes 2, etc).

The key schism of LCHF diets is over the dietary necessity (or lack thereof) of carbohydrates, this well referenced document is a must read for those who are incredulous. There is NO SUCH THING AS AN ESSENTIAL CARBOHYDRATE - the human body can do gluconeogenesis and produce all the glucose it needs from fat.

Sometimes this LCHF diet is referred to a fed-fasting diet, since it maintains metabolic ketosis even when eating.

The core mechanism of action here is allowing insulin levels to return, and stay at, normal levels throughout the day which enables the body - an amazing homeostasis machine - to function properly. The body is full of feedback mechanisms, like hunger, thirst, satisfaction, etc - to stay in optimal bounds.

Being on a LCHF diet is easy to maintain, because you're not hungry, you can eat as much as you want - you just let your body self regulate.

NOTE - if you are on some medications, such as high blood pressure, and insulin, changing your diet can change the effectiveness of these medications and should be done under medical supervision. Either with your doctor, a metabolic doctor, or a service such as virta. Watch your biomarkers when you change a diet to make sure your medications are not taking you outside of your targets.

LCHF diets can include Plant based diets (vegetarian/vegan), Animal Based Foods (Carnivore), or any mix in between (just keto, or ketovore)

Insulin Sensitivity

93% of Americans (and probably similar in western countries) have insulin resistance, this can manifest as obesity, or high blood pressure, visceral fat, diabetes, etc. It may not be visible at all - Skinny Fat - Thin Outside Fat Inside (TOFI).

You can use your TG/HDL ratio has a very good approximation for your insulin sensitivity. You want to be <0.9 (mmol/L) or <2 (mg/dL). If your ratio is low, congratulations you are insulin sensitive

Carnivore

Carnivore is a strict subset of a LCHF/Ketogenic diet that restricts itself to only animal sourced foods (ASF). The reasons for doing this can include:

  • Better food bioavailability - Need to eat less food
  • Inflammation from different plant based foods - oxalate / lectins
  • Allergies
  • Regenerative and Sustainable farming lifestyle (Local farm can provide biocomplete nutrition without needed to transport rare foods over long distances)
  • Ease of adherence (not that many choices, hard to do it wrong, don't have to count carbs)

ASFs are almost entirely digested in the stomach and large intestine, very little makes it to the small intestine - This is why people eating strict carnivore have less frequent bowel movements, and people with gut issues can see impactful quality of life improvements on this intervention

What should you choose?

Ask yourself what you're trying to achieve? What issues are you tackling? The only thing that matters in personal health is your personal outcomes. Focus on what works for you, or is specifically sustainable for you.

Weight Loss - Don't lose weight to get healthy, get healthy to lose weight - A LCHF diet, or even a Whole Food diet, can be used to regain a healthy metabolism

Most of the benefits of Carnivore can be achieved with just LCHF/keto (Even a vegan keto diet). In terms of most effective things you can do, don't worry about carnivore start with LCHF.

If LCHF/Keto isn't enough, such as persistent inflammation, or prolonged gut issues, then Carnivore could be a good option for you.

If you're insulin sensitive, you can keep doing whatever you have been doing - Keep being awesome!

Civility

I'm sure this conversation will touch on people's passions and triggers, I just ask that when you participate you consider the whole human and speak with each other with compassion and empathy for their choices.

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Carnivore Resources

YouTube Carnivore

Science Based, Factual Discussions:

Experience, testimonials:

Nutritionists/Coaches:

Lifestyle/Influencers:

Mini-Series on all aspects of the Meat science, heath, nutrition, and environment

Books Carnivore

Websites Carnivore

Excellent resource with many references on all things carnivore, may have to click around, recommend

Ketogenic Resources

Carnivore is a subset of Ketogenic eating, so all of the benefits for keto also apply here

YouTube Ketogenic

Science Based, Lectures:

Websites Ketogenic

Science, Guides, Recipes , Hard Science, highly recommended

Keto Virtual Health Program - monitoring, medication titration, coaching, excellent

Books Ketogenic

Feel free to add any suggestions below.

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In any health intervention there can be the proponents who become zealous and unreasonable, holding people to too high a standard.

In the Keto/Carnivore space there is such excitement from finding a tool that works so well that advocates can become a bit annoying when they overshare with their friends and family.

Addictive personalities probably see quite a benefit in following a eating pattern strictly. These are the people who can not "moderate" temptation and must abstain to maintain their health goals. These are exactly the people who see the proper approach requiring strictness.

Not everyone is going to see the same benefits from the same intervention, and if someone is starting off relatively healthy their tolerances mean the tradeoff of strictness vs benefit isn't worth it.

For myself I've found that I can't hold people around me to the same standard I'm trying to keep myself at - I need the accountability for good outcomes, but that doesn't translate to other people.

At the end of the day all of these interventions are options, a menu of choices, that people can take or leave - I'm happy if I make that decision a informed one even if I wouldn't make the same choice.

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Dr Chaffee presents his paradigm-altering thesis that autoimmune diseases are the result of the body's attack on plant compounds. He presents evidence that removal, as in a carnivore diet, leads to remission of a wide range of autoimmune diseases.

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Summary

In this presentation at the Regenerate Conference, the speaker challenges the conventional understanding of autoimmune diseases—the idea that these conditions result from the body mistakenly attacking itself due to molecular mimicry or immune dysregulation. Traditionally, autoimmunity is thought to arise when the immune system is sensitized to self-antigens following an environmental trigger, such as a pathogen or toxin, often influenced by genetic predisposition. However, the speaker asserts that this model does not hold up well against clinical and immunological observations. Instead, they propose an alternative explanation focusing on environmental toxins, particularly plant lectins and glyphosate, as causative agents eliciting immune responses. The immune system is not attacking the body indiscriminately but responding appropriately to foreign toxins bound to bodily tissues, which results in collateral tissue damage.

Using celiac disease as a prime example, they explain how gluten, a plant lectin, binds to intestinal lining cells, causing damage that triggers an immune response not against the self but against the offending lectin. Removal of gluten allows intestinal repair despite persistent antibodies, suggesting this is not true autoimmunity. The talk highlights evidence from scientific literature dating back to the early 1990s that supports lectins as major contributors to inflammatory and “autoimmune” diseases, offering a coherent mechanism that accounts for the complex patterns observed in these conditions.

The speaker also discusses how certain populations, like individuals with Down syndrome, show higher prevalence of autoimmune diseases, indicating a genetic susceptibility but emphasizing that genetics alone does not explain the phenomenon. Immunological development processes should prevent self-reactive immune cells from surviving, and if they do not, the immune attack on self-antigens would be severe and relentless, contrary to the typical flare-remission pattern seen clinically.

A critical practical takeaway is that dietary management—specifically removing plant lectins and other toxins—can dramatically improve or even put autoimmune conditions into remission. The carnivore ketogenic diet focused on ruminant meat is highlighted due to its lower lectin and toxin content, and clinical case studies are cited where patients with conditions such as type 1 diabetes and multiple sclerosis experienced significant recovery and symptom remission with this approach. The talk encourages a shift from immune suppression—currently the mainstay of autoimmune disease management and fraught with side effects—to a strategy that removes environmental triggers allowing the immune system to normalize and tissue healing to occur.

Highlights

  • 🌱 Autoimmunity may not be the body attacking itself but an immune response to environmental toxins like plant lectins.
  • 🧬 Genetic predisposition plays a role but cannot fully explain autoimmune disease patterns.
  • 🥩 Diet, especially eliminating plant lectins and consuming ruminant meat, can dramatically improve autoimmune conditions.
  • 🌾 Celiac disease exemplifies how immune response targets toxins stuck to tissues, not the tissues themselves.
  • 🔬 Traditional immunology models suggest true autoimmune cells would mount an unrelenting attack, unlike observed flare-remission patterns.
  • 🧠 Lectins and toxins can cross biological barriers, including the placenta and blood-brain barrier, potentially causing diverse systemic effects.
  • 📉 Case studies show remarkable reversals in diseases like type 1 diabetes and multiple sclerosis through dietary interventions.

Key Insights

  • 🌿 Environmental toxins as primary drivers: The key insight is that many autoimmune-like conditions are possibly triggered by plant lectins and other environmental toxins bound to bodily tissues. This explains why removing offending foods relieves symptoms and why immune response patterns differ from classic infections. Unlike molecular mimicry models, this explanation accounts for the remission-flare cycles and tissue damage observed clinically without attributing the cause to the immune system malfunctioning or attacking self-antigens inherently.

  • 🧠 Immunological central tolerance challenges the autoimmunity theory: During immune cell development in the thymus, autoreactive T cells are generally eliminated to prevent self-attack. For autoimmunity to be genuine, this central tolerance would have to fail catastrophically, which the speaker argues is highly unlikely. Real autoimmune destruction would present as continuous and severe, not remitting. Therefore, the presence of self-reactive antibodies or T cells does not prove the immune system’s intention to attack self, rather it may be responding to foreign substances adhering to self-structures.

  • 🍽️ Dietary intervention as a powerful therapeutic tool: Removing lectins and other toxic exposures via strict dietary controls—exemplified by a carnivore ketogenic diet emphasizing ruminant meat—demonstrates striking clinical improvements. The fermentation process in ruminants reduces toxin levels in their meat, making it safer for consumption. Patients show reductions in symptoms, inflammation, and even tissue healing, as seen in autoimmune diseases like Crohn’s, Hashimoto’s, and type 1 diabetes. This represents a paradigm shift from symptom management by immunosuppression to root-cause elimination.

  • 🧬 Genetics as susceptibility, not sole cause: People with genetic conditions such as Down syndrome have higher rates of autoimmune diseases, confirming some genetic component. However, shared familial environment and diet, as well as other factors, complicate genetics-only explanations. Thus, genetics may predispose but environmental exposures and dietary factors are likely necessary triggers for disease manifestation.

  • 🧪 Lectins damage physiological barriers promoting systemic effects: Lectins’ ability to degrade intestinal microvilli causing leaky gut, and to breach the placental and blood-brain barriers, implicates them in systemic inflammatory and autoimmune-like diseases. This also explains observations such as Parkinson’s disease reduction following vagus nerve removal (a potential entry route for lectins to the brain), reinforcing environmental toxin involvement in disease etiology beyond classical autoimmunity.

  • 📉 Immune suppression insufficient and problematic: Current immunosuppressive therapies for autoimmune diseases treat symptoms but suppress overall immunity, increasing risk for infections and cancers without addressing underlying causes. Identifying and eliminating environmental triggers could avoid these pitfalls, representing a safer, more effective long-term strategy.

  • 🩺 Clinical case evidence supporting reinterpretation: The speaker cites real-world cases where dietary changes led to normalization of immune function and tissue healing, including insulin production restoration in type 1 diabetes patients and multiple sclerosis lesion reduction. These outcomes challenge the prevailing dogma of irreversible autoimmune tissue destruction and encourage further research into diet and toxin-related mechanisms.

Summary Conclusion

This talk advocates for a fundamental rethink of autoimmune diseases, moving away from the entrenched idea of the immune system attacking self. Instead, it promotes the theory that environmental triggers such as lectins and toxins cause tissue-bound antigens that the immune system responds to appropriately. This new understanding better fits observed clinical patterns and opens avenues for safer, causal treatments focusing on dietary and environmental modifications. While genetic predisposition matters, addressing external triggers is key to management and remission of these conditions, suggesting the potential to revolutionize autoimmune disease therapies.

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Up until about 15 years ago lectins were thought of as laboratory tools, useful for histochemistry and blood transfusion work. The fact that many common foods are rich sources of lectin was not considered by most biomedical scientists. In the last decade, however, there has been a flowering of knowledge about the interactions of lectins with body organs and tissues, and it has become clear that many lectins are resistant to cooking and digestion and are distributed to distant parts of the body after ingestion. There is now abundant evidence that dietary lectins can cause disease in Man and animals. This review will adduce evidence that such hitherto mysterious diseases as inflammatory bowel disease, diabetes mellitus, rheumatoid arthritis, glomerulonephri-tis, psoriasis, multiple sclerosis, retinitis and cataracts in the eye, are all explicable in terms of a lectin aetiology, as are congenital malformations, infertility, IgE-mediated allergies and autoimmune states. Complete proof is still lacking in most cases, but the new hypothesis, if true, offers scope for rational therapy in these hitherto intractable diseases

Paper: https://doi.org/10.3109/13590849109084100

Full Paper on zlibrary

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Discover the life-changing potential of the carnivore lifestyle with tips from Bella, the Steak & Butter Gal. In this episode we dive into how your cravings usually mean something, they are not to be ignored. But also how a meat-based lifestyle, enriched with nutrient-dense butter, as well as other fat components such as Kefir and more can help you shed body fat, combat chronic illness, end obesity, stop food cravings, end anxiety and more.

Bella gets real on her history and shares her expert insights on why butter and animal fats crush food cravings and reduce anxiety, paving the way for mental clarity and high energy. Whether you’re seeking to reverse health challenges or create the vibrant life you’ve always wanted, this conversation offers actionable strategies and science-backed wisdom to thrive in a carnivore lifestyle.

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This video transcript features an in-depth conversation between two advocates of the carnivore lifestyle, focusing primarily on the experiences, benefits, challenges, and nuances of adhering to a carnivore diet, especially for women. Bella, known as the "Steak and Butter Gal," shares her six-year journey on the carnivore diet after prior veganism and discusses how it transformed her health, particularly in healing autoimmune skin issues, stabilizing hormones, and ending disordered eating patterns related to binge eating. Both speakers explore the gender-specific needs within carnivore, emphasizing that women typically require a higher fat intake compared to men due to physiological and hormonal differences.

The dialogue also extends to the psychological and social implications of such a restrictive diet, addressing the challenges of strict adherence, social life impact, and the fear and misconceptions around eating large amounts of animal fat (e.g., butter and beef fat). They discuss "filler" foods that complement a carnivore diet—such as fermented dairy products (kefir), bone broth, raw egg yolks, and fermented meats—to support gut health and digestion.

Further, the speakers touch on circadian health, the importance of natural light exposure, hormone regulation, and the broader lifestyle changes that accompany the carnivore diet, including toxin reduction and holistic wellness. They also debate the role of carbohydrates, concluding that carbs are not necessary for survival and that strict carnivore is best suited for individuals with significant health issues rather than everyone.

The video concludes with reflections on culture, family acceptance, and the need for flexibility and personalization in diet and lifestyle choices. Bella shares practical tips and resources for those interested in the carnivore lifestyle through her social media channels and community.

Highlights

  • 🔥 Bella has been strictly carnivore for six years after a prior vegan lifestyle, never cheating.
  • 🍖 Women typically thrive on higher fat intake in carnivore diets, unlike men.
  • 🍫 Cravings for carb-heavy, sugary foods often mask the body’s real demand for fat, especially in women pre-menstruation.
  • 🥩 Beef fat trimmings and raw consumption are prized for their healing and easy digestion benefits.
  • 🕶️ Circadian health and light exposure significantly impact hormone regulation and overall wellness.
  • 🍶 Fermented foods like raw kefir and bone broth act as essential "fillers" supporting gut health on carnivore.
  • 🌍 Cultural and social aspects pose challenges to strict carnivore adherence but also opportunities for respectful personal choice.

Key Insights

  • 🔥 Strict Carnivore Can Heal Chronic Conditions: Bella’s experience shows that adhering to a carnivore diet strictly and consistently can resolve autoimmune skin issues like psoriasis, eczema, and cystic acne, as well as stabilize overall hormonal health. This highlights the therapeutic potential of eliminating plant fiber and processed foods to reduce systemic inflammation.

  • 🍳 Fat Intake is Crucial for Female Success on Carnivore: Women often need significantly higher fat levels to maintain hormonal balance and satiety. Hormonal fluctuations, especially related to the menstrual cycle, increase fat craving, which underscores the importance of personalized macronutrient tuning depending on gender and individual physiology.

  • 🚫 Disordered Eating Patterns Improve with Carnivore: Both speakers struggled with disordered eating involving sugar binges. Carnivore’s high satiety and fat content helped them overcome compulsive eating behaviors. Allowing unrestricted intake (e.g., large amounts of butter) for a time helped restore hormonal function and mental control over food, illustrating that rigid restriction is not always ideal in recovery from eating disorders.

  • 🌗 Circadian Rhythm and Light Exposure Influence Hormones: Beyond food, lifestyle factors like waking before sunrise and getting adequate natural light are pivotal for hormone regulation (melatonin, leptin) and metabolic health. Carnivore’s benefits are maximized when combined with circadian-friendly habits, reinforcing that diet alone isn’t the full picture of health.

  • 💡 Fermented and "Filler" Foods Enhance Carnivore Sustainability: Adding fermented dairy (kefir), fermented meats (high meat), raw eggs, bone broth, and even dry-aged meat creates variety, aids digestion with acids and probiotics, and prevents diet fatigue. This challenges the notion that carnivore is only about steak and ground beef, highlighting important dietary adjuncts for gut health.

  • 🤝 Cultural and Social Contexts Affect Diet Viability: Food is deeply tied to culture and social life, so strict carnivore diets require navigating family expectations, cultural traditions (especially carbohydrate-rich cuisines), and social interactions. The speakers emphasize leading by example rather than dogmatic persuasion, balancing personal health needs with relationship dynamics.

  • 🌟 Carnivore as a Healing Tool, Not a Dogmatic Diet for Everyone: Carnivore’s strict version is mainly suitable for individuals with metabolic or autoimmune issues needing deep healing. For metabolically healthy people, a less strict animal-based or low-carb diet may be sufficient and more sustainable. This pragmatic approach helps prevent unnecessary suffering and supports individualized nutrition.

Additional In-Depth Themes

  • The Psychological Battle with Food: The conversation surfaces how the overconsumption of processed, addictive foods leads to a loss of self-control and disordered habits. The carnivore diet, by simplifying food choices and reducing variety, minimizes these triggers for many, promoting natural satiety and hormonal balance. The speakers’ honest sharing about their extremes—“all or nothing” tendencies—provides validation for listeners facing similar struggles.

  • Importance of Animal Fat Quality and Consumption Method: The preference for raw beef fat trimmings over rendered fat or hot melted fat is rooted in digestive comfort and nutrient absorption. Raw fat contains beneficial stearic acid and doesn’t induce digestive distress as rendered fat might. This practical nuance demonstrates that how fats are consumed matters greatly in diet efficacy.

  • Impact on Social and Friend Circles: Shifting dietary paradigms often lead to shifts in social dynamics. Bella notes distancing from friends who engage in nightlife and drinking late at night, aligning instead with a sleep- and light-driven lifestyle. This real-life cost of carnivore adherence highlights the broader implications extending beyond food choices.

  • Controversy over "Healthy" Plant Foods: Both speakers challenge the modern health hype around certain plant-based foods such as chia seeds, oatmeal, green juices, and flax seeds, labeling them as overrated or misleading “superfoods.” This reflects a growing skeptical movement toward marketed foods not necessarily yielding expected health benefits.

  • Realistic Approach to Transitioning Diets: Bella advises gradual transitions into carnivore or animal-based diets rather than abrupt changes, recognizing personal tolerance and mental/emotional readiness. She stresses that strict carnivore is not a one-size-fits-all, and emphasizing flexibility encourages sustainability and reduced relapse.

  • Role of Testing and Lab Work: Instead of relying heavily on hormone panels or lab tests to track progress, the speakers advocate observing body cues such as period regularity, skin condition, mood stability, and hunger as practical, zero-cost signals of progress—especially relevant for carnivore dieters aiming for hormonal normalization.

  • Connection Between Food and Environment: The discussion links the carnivore diet with a toxin-free lifestyle, promoting non-toxic household products, reducing chemical exposures, and embracing holistic wellness. This points to carnivore as an entry point into deeper health consciousness rather than simply a method of eating.

Conclusion

This video offers rich perspectives on the carnivore lifestyle, blending personal narrative and coaching insights to illuminate how the diet can be profoundly healing but also demanding socially and mentally. It advocates for personalized approaches, especially acknowledging gender differences and mental health factors surrounding food addiction. Beyond nutrition, it elevates circadian rhythm, fermented "fillers," and lifestyle adjustments as essential pillars. Most importantly, it calls for realistic, compassionate, and sustainable implementation tailored to individual needs, dispelling dogma and encouraging mindful evolution in eating habits and health.

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The FEM pan is kinda silly, they really should have compared against a induction pan. It's hard to beat induction.

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The video explores how advanced heat transfer technologies, commonly used in computers, can be applied to cooking to speed up the process and improve efficiency. The presenter experiments with heat pipes—devices that utilize phase change to transfer heat rapidly—to cook steaks faster. By inserting heat pipes into a steak, the internal temperature rises more quickly, resulting in a 32% faster cooking time compared to a traditional steak. However, the results were somewhat limited because the heat pipes were less effective at transferring heat from the grill air, functioning more like metal fins instead. This insight led to further experimentation with fins, which maximize heat transfer surface area. The presenter introduces the FEM pan, a cooking pan equipped with fins at the bottom designed to capture more heat from a gas stove’s flame, which notoriously wastes over 70% of its heat. Tests comparing the FEM pan to a regular pan revealed the FEM pan boiled water over twice as fast (237% faster), providing rapid and even heating with minimal heat loss. The pan has gained popularity even among Michelin Star chefs due to its efficiency and even cooking. The video concludes by praising the practical application of computer cooling technologies in cooking, highlighting their potential to save energy and improve cooking speed.

Highlights

  • 🔥 Heat pipes transfer heat rapidly by utilizing phase changes inside a sealed, vapor-filled tube.
  • 🥩 Inserting heat pipes directly into steak speeds cooking time by 32%.
  • ⏱️ Heat pipes performed less effectively in the grilling environment than expected, acting more like metal fins.
  • ♨️ Gas stoves waste over 70% of heat due to flame and pan design inefficiencies.
  • 🍳 FEM pan features fins on its base to capture and transfer more heat to the food.
  • ⚡ FEM pan boils water 237% faster than a conventional pan, providing faster and more even cooking.
  • 👨‍🍳 Innovative heat transfer technology is gaining traction with professional chefs for its performance and efficiency. Key Insights
  • 🌡️ Phase Change Heat Transfer Significantly Enhances Heat Flow: Heat pipes exploit vapor condensation and evaporation cycles to move heat faster than conduction alone, demonstrating how leveraging physics beyond simple conduction can improve thermal management for cooking.
  • 🥩 Direct Heat Transfer Through Heat Pipes Accelerates Cooking: By transferring heat into the steak’s center rather than relying on slow conduction from the surface inward, cooking times drop substantially, signifying that internal heating methods could innovate culinary techniques.
  • 🔄 Limitations of Heat Pipe Efficiency in Open Air Environments: The heat pipes were not as effective when exposed to the grill air’s temperature, indicating environmental factors greatly affect heat pipe performance and that phase change mechanisms require controlled conditions for peak operation.
  • 🔥 Fins Maximize Heat Transfer by Increasing Surface Area Contact: Adding fins to cookware optimizes heat capture from flames, showcasing how simple mechanical design can reduce heat wastage in common cooking appliances, thereby improving energy efficiency.
  • ⏲️ Rapid and Even Heating in Thick Cookware is Possible with Finned Designs: The FEM pan’s fin design allows it to heat faster while maintaining the benefits of a thicker pan that minimizes hot spots and ensures consistent cooking—a blend rarely achieved with traditional pans.
  • 💡 Adoption by Professional Chefs Signals Practical Value: The FEM pan’s popularity among Michelin Star chefs highlights how technological innovation transcends novelty to become a valuable tool in professional kitchens, underlining the importance of efficiency and performance in gastronomy.
  • 🌍 Energy Efficiency in Cooking Has Broad Environmental and Economic Implications: Reducing heat waste (e.g., on gas stoves) with designs like fins or heat pipes not only saves time but also conserves energy, contributing to sustainability goals and lowering cooking costs.

The video effectively connects cutting-edge heat transfer technology to everyday cooking challenges, demonstrating that advancements first developed for computers can significantly improve culinary efficiency and energy use.

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I see you're quite passionate about the carnivore diet but I'd suggest some adjustments to the diet guide that address key health concerns:

Could you add a section about kidney stone prevention? The carnivore diet significantly increases kidney stone risk due to high animal protein intake, acidic urine, and zero plant-based alkalizing compounds. Studies show 5.9% incidence rate vs 0.25-0.3% in general population: Incidence and Characteristics of Kidney Stones in Patients on Ketogenic Diet: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis

Could you include guidance on fiber supplementation? Since carnivore diets provide zero dietary fiber, users miss the 23% reduction in all-cause mortality and 26% reduction in cardiovascular mortality that fiber provides. Consider discussing supplementation strategies: Dietary fiber intake and all-cause and cause-specific mortality: An updated systematic review and meta-analysis

Could you include guidance on digestive health management? Since fiber feeds beneficial gut bacteria and prevents constipation, carnivore dieters may need specific strategies to maintain gut health without any plant foods: Dietary fiber intake and total mortality: a meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies

Could you add a section on micronutrient monitoring? A nutrient analysrt in multiple essential nutrients including thiamin, magnesium, calcium, vitamin C, folate, and potassium (you can even see it in the nutrient table in the guide). Regular blood work and targeted supplementation may be necessary: Assessing the Nutrient Composition of a Carnivore Diet: A Case Study Model

Could you include cardiovascular monitoring recommendations? Given the significant dietary shift, more frequent lipid panels and blood pressure monitoring could help track how individuals respond to higher saturated fat intake, since responses vary considerably between people. Meta-analyses show both processed and unprocessed red meat consumption are associated with increased CVD, stroke, and heart failure risk: Red meat consumption, cardiovascular diseases, and diabetes: a systematic review and meta-analysis and Health effects associated with consumption of unprocessed red meat: a Burden of Proof study

Could you add a section on cancer risk awareness? A comprehensive analysis of 148 studies found red meat increases breast cancer risk by 9%, endometrial cancer by 25%, and colorectal cancer by 10%. Users should be aware of these risks for informed decision-making: Consumption of red meat and processed meat and cancer incidence: a systematic review and meta-analysis

As with most highly restrictive diets there's lots of bloodwork and supplementation required to make sure you don't damage your body long term and while it may be much harder than having a more varied diet it may be useful if you don't have any other choice.


@[email protected] Originally expressed these concerns in a comment but due to some federation issues outside of our control it didn't federate properly, so I'm reposting it here so it can be seen by everyone.

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Camille and Scott talk about their journey on the carnivore diet.

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Scott and Camille’s journey to health began with Scott weighing over 550 pounds and suffering severe health issues, including congestive heart failure and COPD. Facing a grim prognosis and denied bariatric surgery due to his weight, Scott embarked on a health transformation that started unexpectedly with fasting, inspired by spiritual impressions and later supported by the teachings of Dr. Jason Fung. Integrating intermittent fasting and adopting a keto and later predominantly carnivore diet, Scott lost significant weight, regained mobility, and improved his overall health dramatically. Camille, also battling severe diabetes and other autoimmune conditions, joined this lifestyle change; her diabetes reversed to the point of no longer needing medication.

Their story highlights the power of dietary transformation combined with consistent physical activity—daily six-mile walks—and mindset shifts. Both faced skepticism and resistance from medical professionals but found a supportive new physician and community validation through social media and shared experiences. Their carnivore approach is flexible, adapted to their individual preferences and circumstances, rejecting the idea of rigid dogma. Together, they have lost nearly 450 pounds, reversed multiple chronic conditions including diabetes, COPD, fibromyalgia, and even improved mental health, allowing Scott to wean off decades-long antidepressant use.

They stress individualized, sustainable, and gradual lifestyle changes and warn of the long-term harm of carbohydrates for many people. Their consistency in diet and daily exercise brought not only physical health improvements but also significant psychological and emotional benefits. They advocate for taking personal ownership of health, learning what works best individually, and moving beyond conventional medical paradigms that often fail to support lifestyle-based healing.

Highlights

  • 🥩 Scott lost over 300 lbs, transforming his health from life-threatening to thriving.
  • 🩺 Camille reversed severe diabetes and heart issues to medication-free health.
  • 🕒 Fasting, especially 36-hour fasts, played a foundational role in weight loss and metabolic health.
  • 🚶 Daily six-mile walks have been key to sustained physical and mental wellbeing.
  • 💊 Both overcame significant chronic illnesses, including COPD, heart failure, fibromyalgia, and depression.
  • 🥚 The carnivore diet is flexible and individualized, not rigid or dogmatic.
  • 🔬 Personal lab testing and self-management empowered healthier choices despite medical skepticism. Key Insights

🥩 Carnivore and Fasting Synergy: The combination of extended fasting and a low-carb, carnivore-based diet can revolutionize metabolic health, addressing insulin resistance, diabetes, and severe obesity, often undetected or underserved by standard medical practices. Scott’s initial unplanned fasting journey evolved into a cornerstone for sustainable fat loss and disease reversal.

🩺 Diabetes Reversal Without Medication: Camille’s experience exemplifies how targeted dietary changes can dramatically reduce A1C from mid-90s to near-normal levels, eliminating the need for insulin and oral drugs. It challenges the medical narrative that diabetes is inevitably progressive and medication-dependent.

🚶 Consistency Over Intensity: Their daily consistent exercise routine—walking 6 miles regardless of weather—illustrates that sustainable, moderate physical activity is more beneficial long term than sporadic intense workouts. It also improved mental health and endurance, enabling participation in events like the 12K Bloomsday race.

💪 Overcoming Medical Resistance: Persistent health improvements often encounter skepticism or resistance from healthcare providers, particularly regarding non-conventional diets and reduced medication reliance. Self-advocacy, seeking supportive doctors, and independent monitoring are critical for patients pioneering lifestyle-based healing.

💊 Mental Health Benefits of Metabolic Healing: Scott’s gradual withdrawal from long-term SSRI antidepressants, facilitated by metabolic improvements, underscores the emerging link between metabolic health and brain function. This raises awareness of dietary approaches as complementary tools for managing depression and anxiety.

🍳 Personalized Dietary Adaptation: The couple’s pragmatic approach—flexible carnivore with occasional plant matter and fish—affirms that strict dogma can be a barrier. Individual palates, preferences, and tolerance guide sustainable adherence, highlighting the importance of “what you can manage” over a one-size-fits-all plan.

🔬 Empowerment Through Self-Monitoring: Utilizing continuous glucose monitors (CGMs) and ordering comprehensive lab tests provided invaluable feedback, helping them fine-tune diet and lifestyle, and challenging medical assumptions. Patients equipped with data can better manage chronic conditions and advocate intelligently for their care.

This comprehensive testimony showcases how deep lifestyle commitment combining carnivore nutrition, intermittent fasting, and daily movement can yield profound, wide-ranging health transformations. It invites rethinking the role of traditional medicine and promotes empowering patients on their path to optimal health.

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Scott talks about his journey on the carnivore diet.

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Scott Wilson shares his remarkable journey of overcoming severe kidney disease (FSGS nephrotic syndrome) and other health challenges through dietary changes, specifically adopting a ketogenic and then a strict carnivore diet. Initially diagnosed with a grave condition showing just 20% kidney function and battling weight gain, swelling, and immune system issues, Scott faced bleak medical advice that emphasized steroids and immunosuppressants with serious side effects. However, after watching inspirational content about carnivore diets and encouraged by a longtime friend, Scott shifted his approach from medication reliance to a focus on nutrition, eliminating processed foods, carbs, and eventually adopting a zero-carb carnivore regimen.

Within months of changing his diet, Scott witnessed a dramatic improvement in kidney function (increasing GFR from 20% to 45%), significant weight loss (41+ pounds), reduced protein loss in urine, improved cholesterol and triglyceride levels, better mental clarity, energy, and even partial relief from shoulder inflammation. His experience also illuminated the dangers of prolonged NSAID use (which contributed to his kidney damage), the limitations of conventional medicine’s approach, and the potential for dietary intervention to replace certain medications. Scott’s story stands as a testimony to the power of food as medicine, and he is passionate about sharing his experience with others to inspire hope and practical change for those struggling with kidney issues or chronic illness.

Highlights

  • 🥩 Scott’s kidney function improved from 20% to 45% within months after adopting a keto-to-carnivore diet.
  • 💧 He lost over 40 pounds, mostly fluid related to kidney swelling, improving mobility and comfort.
  • 🔬 Traditional medicine offered steroids and immunosuppressants with serious side effects; Scott chose diet over these drugs.
  • 🍳 His daily eating includes eggs, uncured bacon and sausage, and ribeye steak, emphasizing simplicity and quality.
  • 🧠 Mental clarity and energy levels significantly improved, contrasting previous brain fog.
  • ⚠️ Long-term NSAID use contributed heavily to his kidney damage—a cautionary tale for others.
  • 🤝 Scott advocates for spreading awareness of dietary healing to kidney patients worldwide. Key Insights

🥩 Dietary intervention can profoundly impact chronic kidney disease: Scott’s move from a standard diet to keto, then carnivore, directly correlated with improved kidney function (GFR rising from 20% to 45%), demonstrating that nutritional changes can support kidney health beyond pharmacological approaches — something often overlooked in conventional nephrology.

💧 Rapid and substantial fluid loss is a key benefit: Scott shed 77 pounds of excess fluid, alleviating anosarca edema—a life-threatening condition. This illustrates how diet can affect kidney-related fluid balance and reduce burdensome swelling without hospital interventions.

⚠️ Long-term NSAID use can irreversibly harm kidneys: His kidney condition was linked to prolonged use of anti-inflammatory drugs, a warning about the hidden risks of common over-the-counter medications and the need to explore alternative pain management strategies.

🧬 Immune suppression isn’t always necessary if underlying causes are addressed: Scott’s WBC count normalized without immunosuppressant drugs, suggesting that diet-induced healing might reduce autoimmune kidney attacks without toxic drugs, challenging current treatment paradigms.

🥚 Simplicity in diet promotes adherence: Eating straightforward, unprocessed animal products with low-carb intake helped Scott bypass the keto flu gradually, underscoring the importance of easy-to-follow dietary steps for long-term compliance, especially in chronic illness.

🧠 Improved cognitive function and energy highlight holistic benefits: Beyond kidney metrics, Scott’s improved mental clarity and physical stamina reveal how diet influences systemic health, mood, and quality of life.

🌍 Barriers exist in medical communities to adopting and promoting dietary approaches: Scott’s nephrologist was skeptical initially but later supportive, acknowledging political and systemic challenges that keep nutritional treatments from wider acceptance, highlighting a need for further education and advocacy.

Scott’s story is a compelling case demonstrating that serious health crises like kidney failure can sometimes be turned around by focusing on food quality and macronutrients rather than solely relying on medications. He urges caution with NSAIDs and highlights how incremental dietary changes eased his transition. Despite initial medical discouragement, his improved labs and quality of life affirm that patients can reclaim control through nutrition, offering hope to others facing chronic diseases.

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This is a interesting study of two geographically near tribes of people eating a plant based diet vs a animal based diet.

This type of reporting is rare, since the western diet has changed every group of humans it has contacted.

https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.1931.02730200061030

Full text: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924003510108

This is a contribution to knowledge concerning the relation of diet to physique and to health. The two tribes selected for this investigation were chosen because of the fact that, although their territories were adjoining, their dietary customs were different, "the Akikuyu being almost exclusively vegetarian and the Masai chiefly carnivorous." The field work in this investigation covered such categories as chemical analysis of all foods in common use, articles of diet in the raw state, cooked foods, edible earths, physical examination of both adults and children, and clinical observations. Additional features of this study pertain to laboratory and hospital work dealing with the adequacy of hospital and prison diets, the effect of additions to the diet of various seemingly desirable supplements, feeding tests with prescribed diets on four groups each of forty boys, and blood studies dealing particularly with calcium and phosphorus content, sugar tolerance, ph and alkali reserve,

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TLDR - I made this community because I'm following the eating pattern, and I wanted a place to talk about it.

There are at least 75 Plant Based communities on Lemmy - There is 1 Animal Based community (this is it)

There are probably 10 people who participate in the previous Carnivore community. We are a tiny group. But even tiny groups need a place to talk amongst themselves.

In my life I did SAD, Vegan, totally given up, Keto, and finally Carnivore.

Carnivore has been the single best thing I've ever done in my life, it has had the greatest impact on my health of anything I've ever done. I WANT to talk about it. I WANT to find it's limits. I'm excited that I've discovered this "secret" to modern life that eluded me for so long. I feel like I've been robbed of my youth by poor nutritional information.

This community is a place to experience Carnivore - The good and the bad. I'm not perfect, at all, I have problems, I cheat, I fall out sometimes.... That struggle is real life. Having a real space to speak of struggle is important, even if no one is listening - screaming into the void.

Has Carnivore solved nutrition? No, probably not. At least 50% of what I know is probably wrong, or incomplete enough to be wrong... I just don't know which 50%. I only care about outcomes, results. I don't have a philosophy or identity tied to my food. I'm lazy, if i could skip eating all together I would.

All of the above is why I created this community. This is also why I defend this community, so others can feel encouraged and safe expressing themselves. I know most people don't agree with Carnivore, hell I KNOW its crazy - I thought it was crazy too, before I tried it. I don't expect anyone to like Carnivore at all, I don't care what other people eat. Nobody is "Wrong" for eating what they like. I'm all about informed decisions, I'm going to present the best data I have, engage in the earnest exchange of ideas here in this community, and I respect people's choices - even if I dont agree with them.

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We have had a few YPTB posts since this community was started

One was yesterday. We just moved to a new instance, so our ban lists and people's block lists got reset - Only natural that we would have more attention

I have completed the migration of the archival posts from the old instance to this instance, apologies for the flood of posts today - it is complete now.

Our subscriber count went from 140 to 50 - I'll post the we have moved message to the old lemm.ee community every few days until it goes offline.

The pinned posts should only link to posts within the new community, let me know if I missed anything.

Nutrition brings out the passion in people!

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Meat intake has been linked to increased risk of colorectal cancer (CRC) and mortality. However, diet composition may affect the risks. We aimed to estimate associations between red and processed meat and poultry intake and risk of CRC and all-cause mortality and if they are modified by dietary quality using Cox regression analyses. Baseline dietary data were obtained from three survey rounds of the Danish National Survey on Diet and Physical Activity. Data on CRC and all-cause mortality were extracted from national registers. The cohort was followed from date of survey interview—or for CRC, from age 50 years, whichever came last, until 31 December 2017. Meat intake was analysed categorically and continuously, and stratified by dietary quality for 15–75-year-old Danes at baseline, n 6282 for CRC and n 9848 for mortality analyses. We found no significant association between red and processed meat intake and CRC risk. For poultry, increased CRC risk for high versus low intake (HR 1.62; 95%CI 1.13–2.31) was found, but not when examining risk change per 100 g increased intake. We showed no association between meat intake and all-cause mortality. The association between meat intake and CRC or mortality risk was not modified by dietary quality.

Full Paper - https://doi.org/10.3390/nu13010032

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Grant Genereux is a chemical engineer turned health researcher and advocate, known for his work exploring the role of vitamin A toxicity in chronic disease. After resolving his own health issues by eliminating vitamin A from his diet, Grant began sharing his findings through self-published books and public interviews. His research challenges conventional nutritional wisdom, offering a provocative perspective on the potential dangers of vitamin A consumption.

Grant and I explore the controversial topic of vitamin A toxicity and its overlooked role in modern chronic illnesses. We also discuss the science behind his elimination diet and the radical improvements in health that many have experienced after cutting out vitamin A. Be sure to watch the full interview to learn more.

0:00 Intro
2:38 Who is Grant Genereux?
6:53 Signs of vitamin A toxicity
9:10 How much vitamin A is safe?
18:45 Synthetic vs natural vitamin A
23:04 Thoughts on too many organ supplements
29:05 Is vitamin A really essential?
32:15 Foods high in hidden vitamin A
36:07 Chronic illness link to vitamin A
42:56 Should you stop milk and eggs?
48:49 Why cod liver helps 
56:51 Vitamin A’s link to cancer
1:05:21 Should you test vitamin A levels?
1:14:54 Where can people find Grant Genereux?

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In this in-depth discussion, Judy Cho, a board-certified holistic nutritionist, revisits the controversial topic of vitamin A toxicity, especially as it relates to the consumption of liver products such as beef liver, cod liver, and cod liver oil. Alongside Grant Genu, a former engineer turned health advocate who has adhered to a low vitamin A diet for nearly a decade, Cho challenges the conventional wisdom that vitamin A is universally beneficial and highlights the risks tied to its excessive intake. The dialogue addresses the concept of hypervitaminosis A—a condition caused by vitamin A accumulation in the body—and explores how it may contribute to various health issues, including insulin resistance, skin problems, hair loss, bone pain, and potentially even chronic liver damage.

Despite vitamin A’s recognized role in essential physiological functions such as protein synthesis and cellular growth, their conversation reveals how overconsumption can disrupt these processes. The speakers explain how excess vitamin A can interfere with the DNA-to-protein synthesis pathway, leading to defective protein production, which may exacerbate insulin resistance and other metabolic disorders. They point out that many people, including those following carnivore diets, may unknowingly suffer from vitamin A toxicity even without obvious symptoms.

The discussion critiques the health industry’s heavy promotion of liver and organ supplements, cautioning about imbalances in nutrients like copper and zinc when consuming high amounts of liver. Cho and Grant encourage a more individualized approach to diet and vitamin A intake, suggesting that factors such as liver function and overall health status significantly influence vitamin A tolerance. They also note a growing but still cautious community advocating for awareness about vitamin A toxicity, with many experiencing notable health improvements on a low vitamin A regimen, albeit sometimes facing detox-related setbacks.

Furthermore, they warn against the long-term use of retinoids and vitamin A supplements, which can cause severe complications due to cumulative toxicity. The conversation emphasizes the importance of education, research, and personalized dietary strategies to prevent vitamin A overload and optimize health outcomes. Ultimately, the interview calls for a nuanced, balanced understanding of vitamin A’s role in nutrition, advocating for more widespread discourse regarding its potential dangers.

Highlights

  • 🥩 Vitamin A toxicity is a growing concern, especially from liver and organ meat consumption.
  • ⚠️ Excess vitamin A can cause symptoms like dry skin, hair loss, bone pain, and liver damage.
  • 🔬 Vitamin A’s interference with protein synthesis may contribute to insulin resistance and metabolic issues.
  • 🌿 Some individuals benefit from a low vitamin A diet, experiencing improved health after detoxification.
  • 💊 Long-term use of vitamin A supplements and retinoids may lead to serious health risks.
  • 🔄 Personalized vitamin A intake recommendations are essential, considering liver function and individual health.
  • 📈 Awareness about vitamin A toxicity is increasing, though skepticism and diet dropout remain challenges. Key Insights

⚖️ Vitamin A’s Dual Nature: Essential Yet Potentially Toxic Though vitamin A is vital for vision, immune function, and cellular growth, its narrow therapeutic window means excessive intake can lead to hypervitaminosis A, disrupting key biological processes and causing cumulative tissue damage over time.

🔄 Mechanism of Toxicity: Impact on Protein Synthesis and Insulin Resistance Vitamin A can bind to DNA blueprints responsible for protein assembly, causing the production of defective proteins. This malfunction potentially drives insulin resistance even in low-sugar diets, highlighting vitamin A toxicity’s metabolic implications often overlooked in nutritional science.

🌱 Individual Variation in Vitamin A Tolerance Liver health and detoxification capacity vary widely; thus, while some may thrive on liver-heavy diets, others—particularly with compromised liver function or chronic illnesses—may experience negative effects, underscoring the need for personalized dietary advice rather than blanket recommendations.

❗ Underrecognized Public Health Issue Despite decades of research on hypervitaminosis A, discussion on this condition within mainstream nutrition is limited, leading to a misconception that high vitamin A intake from “nutrient-dense” foods is universally safe. This gap contributes to the rise of undiagnosed vitamin A toxicity cases.

🔄 Detox and Adaptation Periods Are Critical Adopting a low vitamin A diet can cause temporary detoxification symptoms; patience and support during this phase are crucial for success. These setbacks are often mistaken for failure, contributing to a high dropout rate among adherents to low vitamin A regimens.

🚫 Risks Associated with Synthetic Retinoids and Supplements Beyond dietary sources, synthetic retinoids and vitamin A supplements pose significant risks for toxicity, especially with prolonged use, demanding greater caution and transparency regarding their effects and monitoring in clinical practice.

📢 Need for Balanced Nutritional Messaging and Research The health community and consumers must engage in more nuanced discussions about vitamin A, balancing its benefits against risks, tailoring intake to individual health profiles, and fostering further research into chronic low-level vitamin A toxicity and its long-term consequences.

This comprehensive overview underscores the vital importance of reexamining vitamin A’s role in nutrition and encourages informed, personalized approaches to avoid the potential harms of overconsumption.

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Buckle up! This is a 400 page book published in 1888 discussing the benefits of a ASF diet

It's sad how much we "knew", but didn't use in the last 150 years, how many lives could have been improved?

In this book Salisbury putting people on Red Meat and water (indian diet), he found he could reverse rheumatoid arthritis, Ulcerative colitis, gout. He specifically was interested in how the Red Meat diet improved Tuberculosis, and how those already on a red meat diet were far less susceptible to Tuberculosis

The fact this book is old does NOT INVALIDATE IT. This doctor was able to visit and live amongst people who ate "carnivore" diets, and compare their health vs people eating lots of PBF. That is a unique perspective we don't have access to anymore. This is a time capsule that should be the basis of more modern research.

https://collections.nlm.nih.gov/catalog/nlm:nlmuid-62210780R-bk

https://archive.org/details/b2150796x/page/n7/mode/2up

A bit on James Salisbury - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Salisbury

He did, in fact, invent the Salisbury steak.

his advocacy of a meat-centered diet to promote health, and the term Salisbury steak for a ground beef patty served as the main course has been used in the United States since 1897.

Salisbury recommended this recipe (somewhat different from modern Salisbury steak recipes) for the treatment of alimentation (digestive disorders):

Heat the muscle pulp of lean beef made into cakes and broiled. This pulp should be as free as possible from connective or glue tissue, fat and cartilage. [...]

Previous to chopping, the fat, bones, tendons and fasciae should all be cut away, and the lean muscle cut up in pieces an inch or two square. Steaks cut through the centre of the round are the richest and best for this purpose. Beef should be procured from well fatted animals that are from four to six years old.

The pulp should not be pressed too firmly together before broiling, or it will taste livery. Simply press it sufficiently to hold it together. Make the cakes from half an inch to an inch thick. Broil slowly and moderately well over a fire free from blaze and smoke. When cooked, put it on a hot plate and season to taste with butter, pepper, salt; also use either Worcestershire or Halford sauce, mustard, horseradish or lemon juice on the meat if desired. Celery may be moderately used as a relish.[5]

Look at that, no carbs in Salisbury's version of the Salisbury steak.

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Background/Objectives: The rise in chronic metabolic diseases has led to the exploration of alternative diets. The carnivore diet, consisting exclusively of animal products, has gained attention, anecdotally, for imparting benefit for inflammatory conditions beyond that possible by other restrictive dietary approaches. The aim was to assess the micronutrient adequacy of four versions of the carnivore diet against national nutrient reference values (NRVs). Methods: This study assessed the nutrient adequacy of the carnivore diet against national NRVs from the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) and New Zealand Ministry of Health. Four meal plans for hypothetical average Australian adults were developed and analysed using Foodworks.online (Version 1, Xyris Pty Ltd., Brisbane, Australia, 2024), dietary software. Two female and two male plans were included; one set including dairy products and the other set including offal. Results: The carnivore diet met several NRV thresholds for nutrients such as riboflavin, niacin, phosphorus, zinc, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12, selenium, and Vitamin A, and exceeded the sodium threshold. However, it fell short in thiamin, magnesium, calcium, and Vitamin C, and in iron, folate, iodine and potassium in some cases. Fibre intake was significantly below recommended levels. Conclusion: The carnivore diet may offer benefits for managing certain chronic conditions. Whether the metabolic contexts from consuming such a diet facilitates a lower requirement of certain nutrients, or whether it poses risks of micronutrient inadequacies remains to be determined. Tailored nutritional guidance and supplementation strategies are recommended to ensure careful consideration of micronutrient intake to prevent deficiencies.

Full paper at above link https://doi.org/10.3390/nu17010140

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38354868/

TLDR - Meat has been unfairly blamed by bad (possibly biased) statistical analysis.

some investigators may test many alternative analytic specifications and selectively report results for the analysis that yields the most interesting findings.

when investigators analyze data from observational studies, there are often hundreds of equally justifiable ways of analyzing the data, each of which may produce results that vary in direction, magnitude, and statistical significance

Evidence shows that investigators’ prior beliefs and expectations influence their results [5]. In the presence of strong opinions, investigators’ beliefs and expectations may shape the literature to the detriment of empirical evidence

Basically given a all the possible variable permutations they took a very large sampling of inputs to outcomes and looked at the resultant hazard ratio, demonstrating that you can cherry pick to get the results you want (good or bad). This is the core weakness of observational studies.

Curve analysis demonstrates itself as a valuable too in iterating through many of the combinations of observational data to show stronger trends.

The left/blue side of the graph are outcomes that show meat decreased all cause mortality, the right/red side of the graph are outcomes that show meat increases all cause mortality. If you were a hungry researcher, you could publish unending papers indicating either way from this same observational data pool! - Hence the constant news cycle driven by dietary agendas - not based on hard science RCTs.

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Our large brain, long life span and high fertility are key elements of human evolutionary success and are often thought to have evolved in interplay with tool use, carnivory and hunting. However, the specific impact of carnivory on human evolution, life history and development remains controversial. Here we show in quantitative terms that dietary profile is a key factor influencing time to weaning across a wide taxonomic range of mammals, including humans. In a model encompassing a total of 67 species and genera from 12 mammalian orders, adult brain mass and two dichotomous variables reflecting species differences regarding limb biomechanics and dietary profile, accounted for 75.5%, 10.3% and 3.4% of variance in time to weaning, respectively, together capturing 89.2% of total variance. Crucially, carnivory predicted the time point of early weaning in humans with remarkable precision, yielding a prediction error of less than 5% with a sample of forty-six human natural fertility societies as reference. Hence, carnivory appears to provide both a necessary and sufficient explanation as to why humans wean so much earlier than the great apes. While early weaning is regarded as essentially differentiating the genus Homo from the great apes, its timing seems to be determined by the same limited set of factors in humans as in mammals in general, despite some 90 million years of evolution. Our analysis emphasizes the high degree of similarity of relative time scales in mammalian development and life history across 67 genera from 12 mammalian orders and shows that the impact of carnivory on time to weaning in humans is quantifiable, and critical. Since early weaning yields shorter interbirth intervals and higher rates of reproduction, with profound effects on population dynamics, our findings highlight the emergence of carnivory as a process fundamentally determining human evolution.

Full Paper https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0032452

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A compendium of ancestral wisdom, Weston Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration is considered a masterpiece by many nutrition researchers who followed in his footsteps.Weston Price, a dentist with interest in nutrition and health, travelled extensively, and observed the dietary habits of diverse cultures, including the Lötschental in Switzerland, Native Americans, Polynesians, Pygmies, and Australian Aboriginals, among many others. His extensive research materials include some 15,000 photographs, 4,000 slides, and many filmstrips. He observed that various diseases endemic to Western cultures of the 1920s and 1930s were rarely present in non-Western cultures, and that as non-Western groups abandoned indigenous diets and adopted Western patterns of living, they showed increases in typical Western diseases. He concluded that Western methods of commercially preparing and storing foods stripped away vitamins and minerals necessary to prevent these diseases.Initially, the medical and scientific communities vigorously rejected this controversial work as lacking scientific precision, nevertheless, as time went on, research has confirmed his observations and modern medical orthodoxy is slowly accepting that lifestyle and diet are a major factor, perhaps the major factor, in the degenerative diseases that plague the developed world. Many have credited this book with greatly improving their health.

Full Book https://healthwyze.org/archive/nutrition_and_physical_degeneration_doctor_weston_a_price.pdf

Written by Weston Price: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price

a Canadian dentist known primarily for his theories on the relationship between nutrition, dental health, and physical health. He founded the research institute National Dental Association, which became the research section of the American Dental Association, and was the NDA's chairman from 1914 to 1928.

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The human body fixes itself, Carnivore just gets out of the way.

Why people doing Carnivore can get better

  • Zero carbohydrates

This means no blood sugar spikes, and insulin levels stay normal. This by itself is the most important benefit! There are a billion people with type 2 diabetes, this is a direct result of overconsumption of carbohydrates.

  • Complete nutrition

This means the body isn't missing anything it needs to heal.

  • Very low inflammation

Eating food is inflammatory, by avoiding all plant toxins and anti-nutrients the consumed food is very easy on the body. Some people can tolerate some plants, but not all people can tolerate all plants.


Most of medicine is getting the body into a position where it can heal itself - Just think about stitches, just hold the skin close together so the body mends and closes the wound. Carnivore gets out of the way.

Most of the modern epidemics of chronic non-communicable diseases are rooted in poor nutrition - that is to say food that stops the body from being able to heal itself.

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From: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-what-the-worlds-paying-for-eggs/

How much are eggs in your neck of the woods?

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TLDR : Weak Science, Low Relationship, Healthy User Confounders - Nothing burger.

Results: The dementia analysis included 133,771 participants (65.4% female) with a mean baseline age of 48.9 years, the objective cognitive function analysis included 17,458 female participants with a mean baseline age of 74.3 years, and SCD analysis included 43,966 participants (77.1% female) with a mean baseline age of 77.9 years. Participants with processed red meat intake ≥0.25 serving per day, compared with <0.10 serving per day, had a 13% higher risk of dementia (hazard ratio [HR] 1.13; 95% CI 1.08-1.19; plinearity < 0.001) and a 14% higher risk of SCD (relative risk [RR] 1.14; 95% CI 1.04-1.25; plinearity = 0.004). Higher processed red meat intake was associated with accelerated aging in global cognition (1.61 years per 1 serving per day increment [95% CI 0.20-3.03]) and in verbal memory (1.69 years per 1 serving per day increment [95% CI 0.13-3.25], both plinearity = 0.03). Unprocessed red meat intake of ≥1.00 serving per day, compared with <0.50 serving per day, was associated with a 16% higher risk of SCD (RR 1.16; 95% CI 1.03-1.30; plinearity = 0.04). Replacing 1 serving per day of nuts and legumes for processed red meat was associated with a 19% lower risk of dementia (HR 0.81, 95% CI 0.75-0.86), 1.37 fewer years of cognitive aging (95% CI -2.49 to -0.25), and a 21% lower risk of SCD (RR 0.79, 95% CI 0.68-0.92).

Discussion: Higher intake of red meat, particularly processed red meat, was associated with a higher risk of developing dementia and worse cognition. Reducing red meat consumption could be included in dietary guidelines to promote cognitive health. Further research is needed to assess the generalizability of these findings to populations with diverse ethnic backgrounds.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39813632/ https://doi.org/10.1212/WNL.0000000000210286

Sounds really bad! But, Association is not causation, "could" also means "cloud not"

(I can't find the full paper, if you know a link please share it, I want to read the full paper)

Prospective cohort study, epidemiology, another slice of the Nurses Health Study, and the HPFS. Observational Research, cannot prove causation. The Hazard ratio is 1.13, that's nothing. You have to be at least 2 to even justify further research (unless there is an agenda). As a reference the hazard ratio for smoking was 30!

As always in observational studies, healthy patient confounders need to be considered. The person ignoring current advice eating pizza, fast food, etc is considered a "meat eater", but the person following the guidelines is more or less vegetarian (no processed meat, no red meat at least, not smoking, not drinking) at this point. The big difference between these groups? SUGAR AND CARBS.

Even with this massive confounder the Hazard Ratio was only 1.13 (1.0 means NO Correlation at all)

From this tiny data point, the news is flooded with "Red Meat Causes Dementia"

The research director at Harvard has a well established PBF bias, as well as funding from industry. This paper is just one is a series (there will be another for the next news cycle with the same hazard ratios, saying the same thing). At BEST this type of low probability correlation should be used to setup a real study, a RCT... not to set policy or demonize red meat.

Recall our previous discussion of how you slice the data looking for relationships is just as important as the results with a large body of observational data https://lemmy.dubvee.org/post/2623649

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We use the methodology of anthropometric history to investigate the nutritional status of equestrian nomads who lived on the Great Plains during the middle of the nineteenth century, a group for whom traditional measures of economic performance are unavailable. Historians have frequently portrayed Native Americans as merely unfortunate victims of European disease and aggression, with lives in disarray following the arrival of Columbus and other explorers, conquerors, and settlers. While much decimation occurred (Russell Thornton, 1987, 1997), the data we analyze show that some Native Americans were remarkably ingenious, adaptive, and successful in the face of exceptional demographic stress. Using height data originally collected by Franz Boas, we show that the Plains nomads were tallest in the world during the mid-nineteenth century, a result confirmed in travelers’ accounts and by the skeletal record. The analysis provides a useful mirror for understanding determinants of health in general.

https://doi.org/10.1257/aer.91.1.287

Full Paper on SciHub (better formatting) / https://web.archive.org/web/20081216230811id_/http://eh.net/XIIICongress/cd/papers/70PrinceSteckel378.pdf

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