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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/RegretNo6554 on 2023-12-08 22:36:55+00:00.

Serious talk. I’ve been browsing the crypto subs for a while hearing more arguments against the intrinsic value/use cases of bitcoin. I’m making this post to ask the community about what they believe gives bitcoin its actual value.

As someone who’s collected and profited from crypto over the years, I only use it to deal with crypto only vendors or clients. Legal services, not drugs. But I understand how critical crypto is the illicit goods market. This I find to be a genuine concern with mainstream adoption, and much of the criticism related to this seems accurate to me. I have always assumed as long as the illicit goods market exists, crypto will exist alongside with it.

I see many posts speculating on why the price of bitcoin rose this past month and the conclusion I see drawn most often is “Nobody knows shit about fuck” when it comes to determining why the value of a bitcoin increases. Can anyone explain what we are actually investing in that’s creating this value? Or is it really just market speculation?

Anyways, here’s some crypto perks I have collected so far from pro-crypto enthusiasts:

• Be your own bank/DEFI
• Pseudonymity
• Transparency/Reliability
• Fast (usually) worldwide payments

Don’t get me wrong, the above are interesting perks to crypto, but convincing the average person to switch to or invest in crypto off these alone would probably be difficult. So please add more to that list in the comments below I am curious to learn exactly what adds value to our coins.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/RegretNo6554 on 2023-12-08 22:36:55+00:00.

Serious talk. I’ve been browsing the crypto subs for a while hearing more arguments against the intrinsic value/use cases of bitcoin. I’m making this post to ask the community about what they believe gives bitcoin its actual value.

As someone who’s collected and profited from crypto over the years, I only use it to deal with crypto only vendors or clients. Legal services, not drugs. But I understand how critical crypto is the illicit goods market. This I find to be a genuine concern with mainstream adoption, and much of the criticism related to this seems accurate to me. I have always assumed as long as the illicit goods market exists, crypto will exist alongside with it.

I see many posts speculating on why the price of bitcoin rose this past month and the conclusion I see drawn most often is “Nobody knows shit about fuck” when it comes to determining why the value of a bitcoin increases. Can anyone explain what we are actually investing in that’s creating this value? Or is it really just market speculation?

Anyways, here’s some crypto perks I have collected so far from pro-crypto enthusiasts:

• Be your own bank/DEFI
• Pseudonymity
• Transparency/Reliability
• Fast (usually) worldwide payments

Don’t get me wrong, the above are interesting perks to crypto, but convincing the average person to switch to or invest in crypto off these alone would probably be difficult. So please add more to that list in the comments below I am curious to learn exactly what adds value to our coins.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/cascading_disruption on 2023-12-08 18:07:58+00:00.

Let's go back to '21, no smart contracts, no DeFi, no DEXes... ADA at 3$.

The smart contracts era came to Cardano in September '21.

Fast forward now, in just 2 years the Cardano DeFi is booming and it's been booming throughout the bear market times as it can be seen on this defillama chart. No other major blockchain (ETH, SOL) witnessed a TVL growth in the native currency during the bear market like Cardano did.

For the first time ever, Cardano just entered the top 10 chains by TVL in $ as it can be seen on this defillama chart.

Note that Cardano has no USDC or USDT options like other chains so to be in the top ten is incredible achievement. It has 2 stablecoin options which are still limited though: DJED (overcollateralized algorithmic stablecoin) and iUSD (synthetic dolar asset). Most tokens on Cardano DEXes are still priced vs. ADA.

Cardano had its own memecoin mania called $SNEK back in May '23 during the deep winter of the bear, look at the volume then. The mania with Cardano native tokens started again in December and the daily volume on DEXes is exploding as it can be seen via taptools.io data.

Besides the memecoin $SNEK , the gaming tokens on Cardano will be the next big thing during the next cycle like DEADPXLZ's $DING, Clay Nation's $CLAY, $COPI and many others.

$LENFI, $LQ, $INDY are lending and borrowing protocols +- similar to AAVE or Compound...

This time Cardano has a thriving ecosystem with multiple lending/borrowing protocols, synthetics, limited stablecoin options, synthetics, DEXes and aggregators, NFTs, gaming projects play using the magic of Cardano's unique eUTXO system where people new project are popping up and people are just coming up with new crazy ideas to literally bring the enterprise grade trading experience (check out axo.trade for example).

So, if you're wondering why is ADA price going up, it's because Cardano is ready for the bulls this time and it will probably be one of if not the best performing major crypto asset this coming bull run!

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/cascading_disruption on 2023-12-08 18:07:58+00:00.

Let's go back to '21, no smart contracts, no DeFi, no DEXes... ADA at 3$.

The smart contracts era came to Cardano in September '21.

Fast forward now, in just 2 years the Cardano DeFi is booming and it's been booming throughout the bear market times as it can be seen on this defillama chart. No other major blockchain (ETH, SOL) witnessed a TVL growth in the native currency during the bear market like Cardano did.

For the first time ever, Cardano just entered the top 10 chains by TVL in $ as it can be seen on this defillama chart.

Note that Cardano has no USDC or USDT options like other chains so to be in the top ten is incredible achievement. It has 2 stablecoin options which are still limited though: DJED (overcollateralized algorithmic stablecoin) and iUSD (synthetic dolar asset). Most tokens on Cardano DEXes are still priced vs. ADA.

Cardano had its own memecoin mania called $SNEK back in May '23 during the deep winter of the bear, look at the volume then. The mania with Cardano native tokens started again in December and the daily volume on DEXes is exploding as it can be seen via taptools.io data.

Besides the memecoin $SNEK , the gaming tokens on Cardano will be the next big thing during the next cycle like DEADPXLZ's $DING, Clay Nation's $CLAY, $COPI and many others.

$LENFI, $LQ, $INDY are lending and borrowing protocols +- similar to AAVE or Compound...

This time Cardano has a thriving ecosystem with multiple lending/borrowing protocols, synthetics, limited stablecoin options, synthetics, DEXes and aggregators, NFTs, gaming projects play using the magic of Cardano's unique eUTXO system where people new project are popping up and people are just coming up with new crazy ideas to literally bring the enterprise grade trading experience (check out axo.trade for example).

So, if you're wondering why is ADA price going up, it's because Cardano is ready for the bulls this time and it will probably be one of if not the best performing major crypto asset this coming bull run!

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/flowers_at_dusk on 2023-12-08 14:11:26+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/ieatmoondust on 2023-12-08 13:42:30+00:00.

Feeling lots of regret and FOMO when i think about the too modest amount of purchasing i did of coins like SOL around $15 and LINK at $5.

Concurrently, I'm afraid to FOMO because my gut says that maybe six weeks from now I'll be sitting shaking my head as i am out of fiat but watching prices tank before the halving, thinking to myself how we all knew there was going to be 'one last correction.'

So I'll probably do nothing like i always do.

Does ETF hype interrupt past pattern - "this time is different"? what's your take?

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/ieatmoondust on 2023-12-08 13:42:30+00:00.

Feeling lots of regret and FOMO when i think about the too modest amount of purchasing i did of coins like SOL around $15 and LINK at $5.

Concurrently, I'm afraid to FOMO because my gut says that maybe six weeks from now I'll be sitting shaking my head as i am out of fiat but watching prices tank before the halving, thinking to myself how we all knew there was going to be 'one last correction.'

So I'll probably do nothing like i always do.

Does ETF hype interrupt past pattern - "this time is different"? what's your take?

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/ilushkin on 2023-12-08 20:37:25+00:00.

One prediction suggests that DePIN will play a significant role in this upcoming bull run. But what exactly is DePIN?

Grove, formerly POKTnetwork (POKT), has successfully secured $7.9M in funding to advance DePIN into the mainstream.

The dynamic crypto landscape introduces DePIN, a concept that might already be part of your digital interactions without your knowledge.

Let's delve into the fascinating realm of DePIN and the POKT network.

DePIN, or Decentralized Physical Infrastructure Networks, also known as TIPIN (Token Incentivized Physical Infrastructure Networks) or PoPW (Proof of Physical Work), is revolutionizing how hardware devices are interconnected. By leveraging blockchain technology, DePIN facilitates the creation, maintenance, and operation of physical infrastructures.

Participants in these networks earn cryptocurrency rewards through PoPW for their contributions.

This concept may seem complex, but let's simplify it.

Key elements include decentralization, crypto-based rewards, blockchain integration, and physical infrastructure.

Consider decentralized ride-sharing as an example of DePIN in action:

Local car owners join a blockchain-based shared ride network. This network logs each ride, transaction, and user feedback, ensuring transparency.

Car owners earn cryptocurrency for providing rides, maintaining their vehicles, or receiving positive feedback. Passengers and drivers collaborate on network standards, enhancing community engagement.

In essence, DePIN streamlines and democratizes shared transportation management, promoting transparency, rewarding participation, and allowing communal input in shaping the ride-sharing experience.

Familiar DePIN initiatives include Helium, a Decentralized Wireless Network from 2019, Filecoin or Arweave for Cloud Storage.

The goal of DePIN projects is to offer decentralized technological alternatives that can compete with centralized systems.

Effective DePIN networks require hardware, operators, tokens, and end-users, and are compatible with blockchains like Ethereum, Solana, Polygon Labs, IoTeX, Peaq Network, and Celo.

DePIN's versatility extends to cloud storage, geographic mapping, data sharing, and more, making it an important technology in the evolving digital landscape.

Those of you who experienced the previous bull market may recall the incident where MetaMask, responding to a governmental request, restricted access in Venezuela. Additionally, there were periods when MetaMask faced downtime. The reason behind this is MetaMask's reliance on Infura for its RPC (Remote Procedure Call) nodes. Infura, being a centralized provider of RPC nodes, had its limitations.

However, a significant development occurred recently when Infura partnered with Pokt Network. This collaboration aims to revolutionize the provision of RPC nodes by leveraging the principles of decentralization. Pokt Network's involvement means that RPC nodes can now be both cost-effective and decentralized, addressing the centralization concerns previously associated with Infura.

This integration marks a pivotal moment in the advancement of DePIN technologies and the Pokt Network, illustrating the potential for decentralized solutions to enhance and secure our digital interactions in the crypto space.

Thank you for spending time with me to explore DePIN and the Pokt Network.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/kirtash93 on 2023-12-08 20:14:17+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/litecoin-master on 2023-12-08 19:35:46+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/noduhcache on 2023-12-08 19:09:46+00:00.

A Brief History of Crypto Payments

BitPay been doing crypto payment processing since 2011, just two years after Bitcoin itself started. They were Bitcoin only until 2018 when they added support for Bitcoin Cash and Ethereum, and over the successive years added other alts and stablecoins. Bitcoin remained the dominant method, not just the number 1 payment method, but had more share than all the altcoins combined. BCH and ETH hovered around 10-12%, fighting for second. This trend continued until 2021.

BitPay stats thru Nov 2021 w/ Bitcoin visible

BitPay stats thru Nov 2021 w/o BTC so you can see altcoin share changes

What happened in 2021? Litecoin happened. In the middle of 2021, the first BitPay retailer, Newegg, turned on support for litecoin. 3 months later, LTC was in 2nd place in BitPay stats and never ranked lower than 2nd place again. 2 years later, Litecoin had more share than all other altcoins combined and exceeded bitcoin's share for the first time in June 2023. The first altcoin to ever do so. It just took the top spot again for November, but this time, something else changed.

BitPay so didn't expect any altcoin to replace bitcoin at the top slot, that they hardcoded 'Bitcoin is the top crypto for payments' above their chart. When the top spot flipped over the summer, that title didn't change. But now they're starting to expect Litecoin's challenge to Bitcoin's payment dominance, so the title is now capable of changing month to month. The title over this chart has changed for the time ever this month.

BitPay stats for July-Nov 2023 src: bitpay dot com slash stats

The shift in dominance has been extraordinary, especially given bitcoin's massively larger mcap, volumes, and market awareness. People pay with Bitcoin largely because they already have some. People are going out of their way to get and use Litecoin despite higher friction, and they're doing so more and more. I wouldn't be surprised to see BTC and LTC continue to dogfight for the number one spot here, but the trend is clear.

There actually is use in cryptocurrency.

It's nascent. But don't believe the lies on CNBC/Bloomberg/YFi that this is all speculation and no use case. There are a small number of coins really being used. If you compare onchain stats (easy to fake) with offchain stats (hard to fake) you can start to sort the signal from the noise, the genuine articles from the fakes. Bitcoin and Litecoin are being used and adopted heavily. Ethereum has a lot of use. Dogecoin is on the move up and has even exceeded BCH, which is still being used more than most cryptos, but is being used less and less according to infrastructure they used to dominate like BitPay.

Network effects are on the move on a long term highly sustained trend and they're telling a story. They are, to me, the most important thing in the space. Network effects are like bunnies, they make more of themselves and fast.

Multiyear PA/NE Divergence

Litecoin's price action is horrendous. On a multiyear basis. It underperformed even in the last raging bull market in '21. If price action and momentum is your north star, stay far away from Litecoin. Network effects are my north star. I like them even more when they're moving up 1) in the opposite direction of the price action (this almost never happens) and 2) network effects outperform the market while price underperforms on a long term basis. When network effects keep up with price action, there's nothing to get excited about, they're being priced in normally as usually occurs on btc. When network effects vastly exceed price action, indeed, when they go in opposite directions, well, that almost never happens. This might be the last time you ever see it.

Bitcoiners really shouldn't feel attacked by this. You won store of value. That's a great prize. But you're deluding yourself on Medium of Transaction for no reason. You should celebrate that the medium of transaction winner shares your values. A hard capped supply, no premine, algo dominant PoW, truly decentralized and truly secure. Together Bitcoin and Litecoin are both triumphs of Satoshi's values over the vulture capitalists launching 50-100% premines since, centralized companies masquerading as decentralized crypto.

Litecoin will continue to be a friend to bitcoin, not only acting as the tip of the spear for segwit/lightning in 2017, but also for CTs through MWEB more recently. A lot of bitcoiners won't recognize what an ally Litecoin is, maybe ever, but the networks themselves are mutually reinforcing. The best and brightest bitcoiners and litecoiners will always value each other's network.

Litecoin is the only coin that has the beautiful and rare mix of multiyear network effect outperformance and multiyear price action underperformance now. Believe it or not, I don't want to convince you to buy Litecoin. This post is something that I want to point back at and say "I told you so." The more of you actually buy it, the less gloating I can do. I like gloating, so whatever you do, don't buy litecoin.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/onceuponatime863 on 2023-12-08 16:58:46+00:00.

I'm looking for someone who's better than me in math to validate my 2024 crypto trading idea.

If I were to start with $1,000 in a new crypto wallet on January 1, and only did one good trade per day making a 3% gain, would I technically be able to make it to $1,000,000 by the end of the year following this strategy? The worst thing that could happen in this case would be losing the investment entirely, but I'd be making a good amount on the positive side.

Sorry if it's a silly question, but I'm genuinely asking.

Advice and/or alternative views would be appreciated.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/sleepy-panda521 on 2023-12-08 18:09:05+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/ChunkyFunkyGoodness on 2023-12-08 16:39:50+00:00.

Hello @ r/ cc

I loved the idea of community tokens, but the more I think about it and the more I learn, the more pessimistic I become. Here are a few points I have come up with:

• The tokens are monetised, so they tend to be centralised (if you look at the distribution). Early adopters will always hold the majority of tokens (and therefore the majority of votes).
• You can literally buy votes (but most people buy them to speculate on higher prices).
• Moons have turned this sub into a madhouse before "sunset". Meaningless comments to farm moons.
• I've been to the cone sub and the users are very nice and positive. But it's all about the token and nothing else. There is no other topic than tipping and spreading the word about cones.
• The CCIP votes in r/cc: Most of them are about token distribution, because that's what people cared about. Almost no one cared about the quality of the content posted here. Maintain low-effort link posts? Hell yeah, give us moons.
• For me, the most important argument is this: If you give money as an incentive to post, people will post what everyone wants to hear. It's the perfect echo chamber.

I think the concept failed completely. Please change my mind. Maybe I'm just salty because I was late to the party and didn't get a single distribution?

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/MrShnBeats on 2023-12-08 15:53:18+00:00.

I want to accept crypto for my business. Particularly ALGO or other cheap assets for transfer.

I run a classic car dealership and think that crypto would save my customers and myself money and have been a HODLer for years now.

Unfortunately every accountant including the one I ended up with is massively turned off by crypto. How can we get legislation to tax it easier on individuals and business’ alike? Small transactions or even ones exchanged for fiat same day should not be subject to all those additional taxes, especially as a business, in already paying you federal income tax it’s too much.

Sorry end rant

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/me_jus_me on 2023-12-08 18:00:06+00:00.

One of my main fascinations with cryptocurrency is its potential synergy with AI. Specifically, I am aware that individual countries/jurisdictions may pass a variety of laws regulating AI, but that many forms of crypto cannot be realistically controlled by those gov'ts. Additionally, crypto transactions can be performed without any physical presence anywhere in the world. This would seem to make it an ideal medium of exchange and wealth preservation/growth for hypothetical AI agents. [In the medium term this is part of my investment thesis - that such AIs will contribute to medium-long term demand for BTC and ETH].

Clearly, AI agents could also do much of the same using digital on/off-ramps for fiat, but if gov'ts were to detect this (and object to it) they could seize the funds, whereas this might be difficult if not impossible for crypto.

Once AI is advanced enough to securely hold and manage its own crypto, these agents could be used in a trustless way to enable all kinds of human interests as well (not just paperclip maximizing). For example, if I am really concerned with promoting education and advocacy on say, democracy, I could create an AI agent that is designed to manage a crypto portfolio (potentially paired with investment in actual IRL businesses through various digital on/off ramps) with the goal of generating perpetual revenue that is then deployed (grants, investments, loans, etc) by the AI agent to various organizations that support that objective over time. The code for the AI could be open source (eg with blockchain hashes) to verify to the world (and other AIs serving to audit code) that the agent will in fact be capable of pursuing this goal. I could then solicit 'donations' from humans to this AI agent to feed it crypto that would increase its influence. You might say I should just contribute to an existing charity, but how many of those do we expect to survive the rise and fall of nations, corruption scandals and other major geopolitical events? Clearly there are risks to using AI this way, e.g., if the AI were scammed, robbed, or did a bad job of accomplishing the stated goal - but these are also present with human administrators and boards of directors of charities, whose code and activities cannot be audited without obvious human rights issues. But perhaps there are some hybrid models where the AI agent would utilize human input (votes or boards of directors) to shape decisions in the interest of humans.

Anyway, I post this not as a self-proclaimed crypto expert (I am definitely not) but as someone who finds it fun to think about these topics and uses this to guide my own investment/savings/charitable contribution strategies. I would assume there are much better-informed white papers, books, etc on this type of topic written by more knowledgeable people. Along these lines, I'd appreciate any thoughts from others who think about similar topics or recommendations about where I can learn more. I will never be a crypto expert but I am someone who would love to help support development of pro-human uses of AI and crypto. Just as I am imagining charitable applications for the technology, I would assume there will/could be a large number of such agents pursuing less-charitable goals of wealth and power, and I am also curious about thoughtful speculation and analysis on this topic.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/BitcoinLibertarian on 2023-12-08 15:08:41+00:00.

Below is a description of a DAO concept for a search engine that has the potential for broader applications, potentially serving as a viable alternative for platforms like Facebook, Uber, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, and others.

The genesis of developing a distributed autonomous search engine arises from the aspiration to eliminate intermediaries within the industry and fairly compensate users for their contributions.

Operational Framework:

The engine's revenue model would resemble the current advertising system employed by Google. Each user would receive an assigned bitcoin wallet and address for deposits. Users would earn bitcoin for each search conducted, the amount contingent upon the advertising revenue accrued through a bidding process. For instance, if the total revenue for a week amounted to 10 bitcoins, these funds would be equitably distributed among all users for their searches until exhausted.

Advertisers would engage in bidding for advertising slots. At a predetermined time each week the weekly cryptocurrency auction would conclude. The top ten bidders would share a specified amount of advertising time, with ad uploads facilitated. The highest bidder would receive more ad placements than subsequent bidders, creating a tiered allocation system.

Google owes its success to the network effect, where widespread usage reinforces its efficacy. A search engine incentivizing user payouts possesses the potential to swiftly amass this network effect. This system's allure surpasses competitors because, unlike Google, where revenue stays internal, here, all revenue would be redistributed to users. Initially modest, as user numbers grow, more advertisers would join, bolstering revenue and subsequent payouts—a self-reinforcing cycle.

This system outpaces models like ChatGPT, which lack a network effect. ChatGPT's capabilities remain consistent regardless of user volume. The crux of Google's triumph—the network effect, essentially users endorsing accurate search results—can be replicated sans intermediaries through the aforementioned system.

It is foreseeable that rival companies to Google might initially provide advertising revenue, acknowledging the disruptive potential of such a distributed system. Entities like Microsoft and Apple could be early contributors. Furthermore, this system might flourish initially in countries with weaker economies, where residents seek alternative sources of currency, such as Zimbabwe and Venezuela.

Foreseen Challenges:

Foremost among the challenges is safeguarding against system attacks, particularly from bots or individuals gaming the system via frivolous searches for cryptocurrency. Implementing caps on individual account earnings, requiring initial payment of some small amount of bitcoin, and deploying anti-DDoS measures such as CAPTCHAs would be critical combatting these threats. Additionally, instituting checks through existing users to authenticate newcomers, rewarding these authenticators with increased search revenue, could fortify the system's integrity.

Conclusion:

The bottom line is that the system described does not allow for a centralized process of censorship or search manipulation, as we currently see with Google. Such a truly decentralized autonomous organization with no decision makers to conduct such machination would advance liberty like no application before it.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/semanticweb on 2023-12-08 17:04:20+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/gr8ful4 on 2023-12-08 13:58:16+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/crua9 on 2023-12-08 13:06:46+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/fap_fap_fap_fapper on 2023-12-08 12:41:04+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/YuntHunter on 2023-12-08 12:06:31+00:00.

You could have used the protocol with less than $100 in capital and made $10k yesterday. All you had to do was stake on their platform, nothing else, that's it.

I don't mean this to be insulting but if you want to make good money in crypto get the hell off this subreddit and get out researching and using everything you can on all the different chains.

It's Solana season and has been for the last while but Reddit will no doubt continue to hate it based on opinions of others not formed themselves that they read on here.

My point is, start trying to see this market for what it actually is, a vehicle to make money that you can't in other ways. Airdrops have always been the best way to get substantial starting capital but this subreddit seems to have a bizarre aversion to them.

Anyway good luck to all from someone whose first airdrop was Uniswap so I hope you can trust I've been here a bit longer than some.

On a side note I'm not here to spoon feed so don't ask about other airdrops.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/LincHamilton on 2023-12-08 10:36:37+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/cryptocurrency by /u/LincHamilton on 2023-12-08 10:36:37+00:00.