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The original was posted on /r/relationships by /u/ZydrateAnatomic on 2024-01-07 13:47:38+00:00.
The first thing I want to say is that my fiancé is extremely happy, can’t wait to marry me and can’t see any of the giant cultural differences I see. It is driving me insane and I need someone to explain to me why he does not see them.
I and my fiancé got together last spring. He is five years younger than I am, and a lovely person. He proposed only a few months after meeting me, and we are getting married in autumn. He says he wanted to propose to me two days after meeting me, and has never been this much in love. He is currently very happy. I, by contrast, am so worried I can’t sleep at night.
I emerge from a very traumatic long engagement with a man who cheated on me. When I met my current fiancé, I was so desperate for love and kindness that I was more blind and obliging than I should have been. I did not pay attention to the details of our differences because it was so new to me to be genuinely loved and cared for. Now that the honeymoon period is over, I am starting to see the issues.
My fiancé was raised in the English countryside in a cottage which is, to put it plainly, the dirtiest house I have ever set foot in in my entire life. His father is a stay-at-home dad, and his mother works. Because his father is of a generation when most men were not taught how to do housework, he does nothing around the house. The oven is encrusted with dirt, there are two inches of dust on every surface, there are holes in the wall where wasps make nests (we woke up one night and there were like fifty wasps in our room), there are rats who regularly devour everything we leave in the garage, and slugs slip in through the fissure and slide around on the living room floor. On top of all this, they have no heating except a wood stove in one room and there is ice on the inside of the bedroom windows. All of this is not due to his parents being poor (his mother has an excellent career), but rather due to cultural reasons. His mother is also someone who grew up in the country wilderness and takes her husband and son on wild walks in the woods even on Christmas Day, so she is completely indifferent to dirt, cold or bugs in the house.
My fiancé has always told me he does not want to live like that. When I met him, he was living in a city flat and seemed like an urban person. However, in time I have realised that he is obsessed with old houses and that his dream would be to own an 18th century house. Because he has been raised in a house full of damp and dirt, he does not understand the challenges that come with looking after an old house because he is oblivious to them. To him it is normal to live in a draughty house with damp.
One important thing to consider is that there are cultural differences between us. My family is French and works in the luxury sector. We are very urban people (French people are generally very happy to live in flats and don’t worship the countryside the way English people do), and my fiancé’s family’s living conditions would be totally unacceptable to my family, as they are to me. My fiancé used to not do any housework at all, until I explained to him that I really mind dirtiness. He is not sexist at all and does do housework when I direct him, but I have to remind him because he is completely indifferent to these things.
When we went to France, he wanted to walk out among the cows despite it being very hot (he is one of those blonde English people who burn easily and suffer in the heat). I told him that this was completely unreasonable and he looked startled. He agreed to not go out, but then said, “When I was little my mother would take me out in the heat because she wanted to go on a walk, and I would get heat stroke and she would not care. I never thought it was normal.” He says he does not want raise children in the same way, but I am still worried because living in extreme conditions and not taking care of himself has been ingrained in him.
One very important thing is that his parents are those very traditional English people who taught him to always scrimp and save. He dresses like a dandy and loves antiques. The final result is that he bought a pair of old leather shoes from a charity shop that were the wrong size, hobbled in them all day (while also wearing an ill-fitting dandyish tweed jacket also bought in a charity shop), and then the soles broke off and he walked barefoot across London. And he did not even wash his feet immediately when he got home.
Because he is so obsessed with antiques and despises the modern world, it is almost impossible to persuade him to buy decent modern clothes, because he says they don’t fit with his aesthetic. The result is that he will wear an old-fashioned shirt with giant holes in it. He likes the old-fashioned aesthetic, but because of his upbringing he has zero sense of comfort.
This “scrimp and save and make do” ultra-English attitude is really beginning to weigh on me. We spoke about getting a microwave (I cook a lot and he also loves food, so kitchen utensils are important), and his immediate instinct was to get the cheapest one we could find, even if we could afford a better one. He even suggested using the old one his parents keep in their rat-infested garage.
He said he is very willing to move to France with me. When he showed me the kind of French house he would like to live in, however, I was shocked. It’s the sort of fallen down townhouse that needs a lot of renovation and that tourists typically fall in love with (the locals, who are not impressed by old houses and want comfort, know better than to take on a renovation project like that). Because of the way he is, I would not even trust him with the renovations because he is just going to spend as little money as possible and think living in a house that is falling apart is some kind of luxury just because the house “has a history”.
My fiancé is a wonderful person. He is kind and empathetic and has never mistreated me. I bear him no ill will whatsoever. However, I am genuinely concerned about the countless battles I would have to fight if I married him due to our very real cultural differences. I also fear that he is more immature than I am, due to the age gap. I do not know what to do because he is a good person, but realistically speaking I don’t know to what a degree I can “civilise” him, and I can’t bear to live the way he does. What should I do?
TL;DR: my fiancé is a kind person who has never hurt a fly. However, there are huge cultural differences between us because he was raised in a dirty house in the English countryside and is used to horrible living conditions, whereas I was raised on the continent and I really do care about comfort and decent living conditions. What should I do? VERY IMPORTANT DETAIL: he is desperate to marry me and says I make him perfectly happy and despite knowing about all this he does not seem concerned at all.