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Finland, supporting nazis from 1939
they literally had the Swastika in their nations Air force flag until a few years ago
You're so toxic
excellent contribution, my argument is destroyed
what's the number of insults and removed comments before a user gets banned?
as many as necessary, why?
I never said that
I was just adding! And I know Ukraine's military and militia, are mostly right wing and neo nazi. If they are training those, they are training neonazis, regardless of past injustices.
The west is fond of right wing death squads, I don't know why they would stop in this case. And this is finland! I haven't accused anyone else, and I have literally never mentioned Sweden or Denmark.
I know they were in that, but participation and leading are two different things. It still makes me sick, but they wouldn't be participating if the main issue wasn't being caused by finland.
I thought that was the whole point of this fucking argument, I mentioned finland, you got on my ass about it. I honestly forgot everyone else. Canada though definitely would be fine arming and training nazis. If you want me to start reading up and criticizing those succdem countries, then fine by me.
according to your western media, yes. Z literally meant nothing until ya'll sensationalized it as some icon
No, its a icon for a section of the ukrainian operation. Its used to differentiate which vehicles for which front.
My god, the same person is still downvoting all my shit
lmao, someone doesnt recieve enough sunlight
and another just walked right into another argument about the finns with the swatstika thing lol
i am stupid but sometimes when im on the internet i think im smart
they need to eat grass at this point to make up for their deficiency
At this point, I'm considering to write a script to automate the process
literally, its like talking to bots. I just blocked them
It's almost like they just got invaded by the Soviet Union. Yep, checks out.
So? They get to become nazis?
Stalin made a deal to split Poland with the Nazis. Was he a Nazi?
The alternative was the Nazis getting 100% of Poland
It doesn't change that Stalin was perfect fine being... what do they call it, a Nazi collaborator?
Stalin is the reason we don't live under a flag with a swastika under it today. Perhaps you would not even be alive typing this if it weren't for Stalin. The war industry of the USSR in this time is well understood. The USSR was not ready for a war with Germany, but they could be in a few years time. This is evidenced by the fact that the Nazis made it all the way to Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad, before the growing war industry of the Soviet Union was able to catch up and supercede the Nazis'.
Without the M-R pact, Barbarossa would have begun much more to the east. Perhaps that would have given the Nazis the upper hand enough to have defeated the USSR. With hindsight, the M-R pact was strategically the right decision.
So do we call this Nazi collaboration? That would be narrow-sighted, because they took the correct strategy to beat the Nazis. In Finland's case, they never had the goal of defeating the Nazis. Even after signing a peace with the USSR, they never turned on the Nazis like other eastern european countries did.
No, Finland's goals were to take territory, and not just the territory they had lost, they wanted to annex all of Karelia we know. A Finish historian even, Lauri Hannikainen writes:
So the viewpoint you are espousing in this thread is historical revisionism even by western academic standards.
You mean what happened when the USSR kicked finlands ass so hard it switched sides? Don't worry, it happened to lots of once fascist countries in eastern europe at the time.
the lapland war barely had any casualties for either side, not breaching 5k. It was a barely a skirmish for 7 months overall, you're acting as if it was some great betrayal.
I did not claim that, I was defending a comrade's claim about it. But now I said it, and I call the lapland war a pathetic war against nazis, and not even close to what they did to the soviets. It was just their participation points to make sure the USSR would not cut their country into even smaller pieces. They should have shot all their pro-nazi officials, in politics and government. and committed attacks on all nazi assets in the region. They should have helped in attacking the Nazi coast, or assisting the Red Army. At least. Leningrad remembers. Finland was never a main player in the anti-fascist front. The Yugoslav Partisans killed more nazis in that time than the Finns. MORE GERMANS DIED TO THE ALBANIANS THAN THE FINNS!
After every other power rejected deals with him
And that justifies it how exactly?
Finland had just ceded 9% of its territory to end Soviet aggression against it. Germany was useful in getting that territory back.
This is one of those "play stupid games get stupid prizes" things. The Soviet Union invaded a smaller country. Don't blame Finland when it allied itself with a more powerful country. It's silly to act the victim when the Soviet Union picked a fight to begin with.
I think I will blame Finland for fighting with the Nazis actually. Don't tell me what to do.
25 million people of the USSR died, that does sort of make them a victim. Taking a piece of Finland that was a part of Russia in 1917, like 20 years earlier, that is to this day recognized by Finland as Russian territory, this justifies that for you?
Of Nazi Germany, sure. Not of Finland. Not when the Soviet Union invaded first. It's also worth noting that
You say that like they were okay with it. From what I hear, it's a source of considerable bitterness, especially given that all the Finnish people in the area were forced out.
What a pointless distinction. It's not like they contributed to Operation Barbarossa or anything and that a number of those 25 million deaths came at the hands of Finish troops.
No, I say that like it is an objective fact.
Finland took soviet territory, Soviets wanted the unjustly occupied territory back. I say its fair. They didn't invade all of finland.
good for them, its war, they lost. Finland shouldn't have gone for a greedy land grab.