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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

How come you compare centralized corporative social media sites with cities? How does that even work? Given that cities are interconnected to other cities and you can move freely from one to the other.

And what is this whole conversation about privilege? What's so priviledged about community funded federated services, made by the people for the people. In that sense, the whole goddamn democracy is an act of privilege.

How is the fediverse anything like living off grid? Given that the whole point of it is interconnectivity?

The rest of the non-analogical criticism is just technically false. Not just incorrect, its just false. But as you said, I too have a huge chunk of text in my mind. Couldn't be bothered to create an exposition for reactionary comments.

Please stop jacking off to the mirror.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Calm down, dude. This is why I didn't want to write a lot of text all at once. The analogy made perfect sense to me, but only when someone else read it did I realise that it might not be the best way to describe it.

There are many ways to interpret an analogy. I guess it's my mistake that I didn't properly guide the reader to the intended interpretation. Obviously, I'm not talking about the connectivity of cities. At the end of the text, you can see me using the term city synonymously with the modern world.

Fediverse claims to be "for the people by the people," but if you examine any real Fediverse project, you can see how it's actually "for the system admins by the programmers." Federation is just a toy feature for its developers and other software enthusiasts to play with.

Why do you think all of the Fediverse has the same boring demographic of privalaged keyboard warrior programmers pretending like they are leading the revolution against big tech? And why is it that whenever another demographic arrives as refugees, they immediately demand defederation or die out immediately?

The open for everyone approach made sense in the early days of the internet, when everyone capable of using the internet was also able to develop and improve it (to some extent). But the modern internet is not like that. It has people from many different backgrounds. They can't host millions of instances of Peertube to watch cat videos. Centralized software makes internet communication accessible to the masses with unprecedented efficiency that doesn't force my grandma to own and maintain servers.

Sometimes I self-censor words like "capitalism" to appeal to certain audiences. I guess it would have made more sense if I said that the solution to capitalism is not abandoning the productive forces it gave us to go back to primitive communism or arguing that everyone should become capitalists by owning enough capital.

Going back to the off-grid analogy, arguing that everyone should host their own instance because you don't like some corporate policy is not any different from arguing that everyone who is upset about landlords should abandon modern apartments, cities, and all their comforts to go back to nature and start engineering mud houses.

Centralized social media is a superior and progressive technology that makes internet communication accessible to the people. Sure, it is not made by the people, but it certainly is made for them. And trying to solve that contradiction by considering everyone who isn't involved in the "making process" as not "people" is regressive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I'm really fucking tired of reading accusations after accusations in this conversation without a single goddamn philosophical justification. Quit your bullshit and stop using words like "cult" lightly.

The amount of ad hominem in everything you're saying, I could make a house out of it. "Boring Privileged keyboard warriors", okay how are they keyboard warriors, how are they privileged?

Also the code for every federated social platform if publicly available, how else do you think we have so many instances? And if you do have problem with having different instances, why are you on lemmy? Please have even a glimpse of coherent philosophy. People should make their own instance because they can, stop comparing it to the shelter problem. The fediverse ain't your real estate. It has no parallel to it. A server is a host of information, a house is of your body. No one's even trying to host their own instances all the time because we dont really need to, that's been proven with several federated software and is a prime example of good moderation. The fact that we even have so many diverse set of people on a single server is a goddamn testament to it. I'm a brown liberal, for one. No, your granny does not need to goddamn host her own server, quit your straw man bullshit.

I have no clue what capitalism has to do with your argument given that hosting fediverse means dealing with capitalism, in terms of hosting and money transfer methodology when it comes to funding the servers and the developers, so idk where you're getting at with that.

What goddamn authority are you even talking about? Just spin your own instance? And if you dont know how, how is that an issue of the programmers, have you managed a FOSS project at the scale of the fediverse? Server development and management is a tough goddamn job, people get paid millions of rupees to do it.

Just admit it goddamnit, you're a corporate shill who's resentful about anything that tries something different. I'm so fucking disgusted by the way you use your language. I've given you three opportunities to make an exposition and all I've got is ad hominem. Be better, stop being so narcissistic. I'm tired that you're attacking not the movement but the people behind them. Just shows how shallow your goddamn worldview is, grow the fuck up and do something about what you dont like Instead of shitting on community work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I’m a brown liberal

Understandable have a nice day

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