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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
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0. Only post socialist memes
That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)
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That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
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We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
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Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
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The label "Nazi" is thrown a lot around lately whichever side it is, most probably to lose its meaning & the use of it as a slur only creates more trauma & disarray, hence making sure no consensus can be reached.
Now what kind of precedent does that invite makes you wonder?!
Obviously you're a fool if not deliberate for reinforcing that narrative.
And disagree with your resolution "Fighting fire with fire", you're just then another hegemonic/genocidal oppressor who's trying to convince the rest that he's different & that's just another scapegoat for more chaos.
Like who are you, just another one paid by corrupt institutions & industries, most likely the military for starters with the desperate attempt to justify the unjustifiable & since you're enticing wars?
the only reason I am alive today is because my great-grandparents killed fascists and stopped their ideas from being implemented further
Is that so, find it funny & common with regressive individuals that still use storytelling to manipulate others, that's a dumb move.
There's a pattern with your post being hyperbolic (Psychologically speaking it's stereotypes that those that exhibit those habits are compulsive liars) about everything and with me by the way, since when acting as such solve anything let alone makes progress.
Seems like your "Grand Father's" never taught the unsurmountable cost of waging wars, it's the type of black box that you really shouldn't open.
And Wherever you live if there are notions of liberalism in your country, you're living in the 4th Reigh.
Conservatism can't live without Liberalism & vice versa, get it?! (Rhetorical, at this point don't care about your answer.)
He won't care about history & how far it goes but for the rest check 'The Octopus' by deep-state content creators & also added regarding economics.
Decolonised history & Deep-State:
Historically
American Exception
Ghost Stories For The End Of The World
Economic systems:
Geopolitical Economy Report
International Manifesto
Activist #MMT
Context for other people: this batch of communities is the first one I'm moderating, so I'm quite inexperienced when it comes to that. I thought the parent comment was problematic and banned @[email protected], however I almost instantly reversed it since I thought that I shouldn't ban people over just one problematic comment. I sent the commenter this message to inform them: "fyi: if you receive a ban message, it has been reversed already. I might disagree with what you said, but banning ppl just bc of me disliking a statement is not a practice I want to establish" The way they behave is very reminiscent of a debatebro, arguing in bad faith and acting like they have a 'gotcha' moment on me, while not being able to discern shitpost from a debate... -_-
Now to you @[email protected]: first of all thank you for insulting me, calling me regressive, consciously misinterpreting my words and actions as well consciously referring to me in a wrong way, while you yourself want to be addressed with they/them. On top of that, you add some fake psychoanalysis and can't resist pinning my behaviour to a stereotype. Do you even know what a shitpost is? What memes in general are? Why do you instantly assume a hostile pose and engage in debate mode when you don't even have a concise opinion to work with? Just assumptions based on a shitpost and a comment, mind you. I won't do you the favour and engage in active discussion with you.
But just so you and others who read this thread (will keep this up for transparency) know: I am aware of the consequences and costs of war, I wish that humanity never has to experience a world war again. If you however think that a force like hitlerite Germany could have been stopped by peaceful means, by giving them concessions and ignoring their imperialist expansion and genocide, then I'm afraid you are no better than the French, British and later accomplices that allowed (and even encouraged) Poland, Czechoslovakia and Austria to be occupied. I will have you know that when you choose inaction when faced with oppression and call on others to do the same, even defame those who object, you have chosen the side of the oppressor; existing Fascism will not be stopped by anything other than a bullet in the head and education campaigns to prevent it from resurging ever again.
In light of that, your behaviour and your breakage of honest code of conduct - as well as rule 1 and 3 - I say goodbye to you and hope that I won't have the displeasure of interacting with you again.
You left out:
Nazi, fascist, etc.
These words are losing their meaning more and more each passing day.
are you only allowed to call ideas or people fascist once it's too late? I agree to the extent that people with the unfortunate ideology of "anti-fascism" throw the word around a lot, but often they are right (in exposing/labeling those tendencies and their modern derivatives)