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This is a whole lot of nonesense. Bernie wasn't ever the nominee. how does him endorsing the Democratic nominee push people on the left to vote for Trump when they support Bernie? By that logic if Bernie would have endorsed Trump then those voters would have voted for Hillary.
And if you've been paying attention and vote for an openly racist and sexist moron you are yourself a racist and sexist moron. There's not a way around that. I can't say I respect women and minorities and then turn around and vote for a guy that's going to make womens' and minorities lives' so much worse. Best case I could make is that I wasn't at all paying attention and I didn't really know what I was voting for. Which isn't exactly a good look either.
And just because dems are moving further right insofar as supporting the war in Ukraine and the Genocide in Palestine that doesn't mean that Republicans have somehow flipped to being the progressive, anti-war, anti-cencorship party. Dems have moved further right sure, but Republicans have driven right off the end of the right side of the scale.
He wasn't the nominee because the DNC screwed him over in 2016 in favor of Hilary. At that point Sanders had a choice, he could either break with the right wing democratic party or support the official democratic nominee. This was a historic opportunity to break apart the two-party system of the US and Sanders squandered it. The decision to endorse Hilary was seen by a large part of his support base as betrayal. Contradictory as it may seem both Sanders and Trump had tapped in the same mood of discontent among the masses. They were both seen as anti-establishment candidates and there was a big overlap among the people who supported them. But unlike Trump Sanders embraced the failed strategy of "lesser-evilism" and that directly led to Trump's victory. If Sanders had stood firm history may have been different.
As for the Republicans going left wing. Neither of the two US parties is left wing but it's a fact that the Republicans have taken the role from the Democrats of pretending to support the working class. They even use the phrase "working class" now, even on Fox News. That was unheard of only 10 years ago. When is the last time you heard a Democrat refer to the working class? It's all "middle class" for them. The Democrats are the party of Hollywood now, not the workers. So yea, the republicans are using left-wing rhetoric now, the dems are moving more and more to the right. Identity politics is not "left wing". It's just what passes for left wing in the US liberal circles, and people are tired of it.
History would be exactly what happened with Ralf Nader - everyone blaming him for the outcome.
I Nader's case it was the de facto most consequential election imo - Al Gore x Bush. We would be fighting climate change properly and the terrorism response would've been significantly different.
Bernie was pragmatic and lived to fight another day. And the progressive movement gained momentum.
There is nothing "progressive" about identity politics.
Ok, now you're showing your true colors. You don't care about real issues, you care about how people live their lives. Have fun with that mindset.
Identity politics is just liberal nonsense that distracts from the class struggle. Listening to these people on TV is unbearable. All they can talk about is gender and race. They think that is the only thing that matters. While in fact most people are way more concerned about wages, jobs, and economic opportunities. It's no wonder they can't win an election. The cherry on the cake is how they accused black or hispanic people who voted for Trump as "sexist". These people are completely out of touch with reality.