Guys, at this rate I don't think the revolution's going to happen anytime soon.
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Maybe I’m in a bubble, but I have yet to see anyone who’s not genuinely a tankie being accused of such.
Ive seen people be called tankies for not supporting Kamala and opposing Liberal Democracy
That’s wild. I’ve never heard that take and have a difficult time believing that it is common.
What alternative were they in favor of?
World users were literally calling anyone who critiqued Kamala Russian bots, were you not paying attention for the last several months?
Depends, some leftists support a workers democracy, im personally an Anarcho Syndicalist
Ah. I think I see where the problem is. I believe my instance defederated from
lemmy.worlda while back.You arent missing out on much
I've seen conservatives lob the word tankie around before like they do with other scary sounding political words. But not here on lemmy. "Tankie" has a very precise meaning on lemmy that everyone here seems to understand, despite a few tankies trying to gaslight people into thinking the term has "lost it's meaning".
For those who don't know what it means, what is "clear definition of tankie"?
someone who claims to be leftist but tacitly or gleefully supports authoritarianism, imperialism, or violent repression. Many are easily identifiable by their pointing to places that are not The West™️ and smoothing over, apologizing for, or denying, blatant horrors on the basis that they are unfriendly with the west. sometimes called red fascists.
It's actually important to ostracize these people as they are obviously the most blatant opportunists in leftist movements looking to implement authoritarian repressive regimes.
including those resisting US evil? Not supporting a war on Russia is tankie, because being too stupid to not understand we the people lose, and Russia needs to defend itself, is not as important as believing US propaganda that Russian leadership is evil for defending itself?
on the brightside ya'll normally just can't resist outing yourselves.
Is there a name for leftists that believe everyone deserves every war the US tells them is a "strategic imperative"? Even the ones where they use motivated nazis and very illiberal Islamist rulers?
Doubt it.
yes. "Western leftist"
Spoken like a true lib who hasn't grabbed a history book in their lives. You have done exactly ZERO study of this so-called "authoritarianism", its characteristics, actual comparisons with western systems, and the reasons for certain degrees of oppression in different systems. Your entire analysis is vibes-based, and doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny, and leads you to being on the side of the US Department of State propaganda on 99% of occasions. Remember, people called us tankies 20 years ago for opposing the invasion of Iraq, because "Saddam is a rabid dog".
really searching for straws to grasp here eh?
"I'm a leftist, and I proudly support 0 historical leftist movements which actually achieved anything"
wild leaps of logic, care to show your work? i could use entertainment
Tell me one (1) leftist movement that actually achieved significant social change that you support
i think the AANES have been very impressive in their efforts, personally. Funny how you dodged answering for how you got "doesnt support leftist movements" for defining tankie. 🤔
Lmao, the Rojava are a minor movement in a very restricted area, and will exist for as long as the US is interested in their presence in the region.
Hey, I'm not the one denying every socialist experiment in history and decrying it as "authoritarian" without having done any serious study on it, and sharing the same point of view on it with libs.
you have yet to explain where you are actually hearing that lmfao. unless, of course, being against violent repression and fascism as a rule somehow insults your sensibilities.
Bringing up fucking rojava, that's how I know. No support for socialists who managed to change the world like the Bolsheviks or the Cuban revolution, or socialists like Gaddafi and Nasser.
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You roll your eyes, yet you think yourself smarter and better than all revolutionaries who existed and succeeded...
i am mostly rolling my eyes at the self tells of me saying fascism is unconditionally bad and you taking personal offense at that and looking for leftist purity tests lmao.
Fascism is unconditionally bad, but the term "red fash" is ahistorical, illogical and made up right wing bullshit to push people away from communism
those darn 1920s anarchists and communists, the most famous users of the term red fash, notorious right wingers trying to push people away from communism. 😂 so ahistorical.
Winning is authoritarian. Everything makes more sense when you understand that this is where the opposition to "authoritarianism" comes from.
It's how you can denounce movements that win, while suggesting the left uses tactics that lose. It is a meaningless word that means successful deviation from the desires of the West.
Bingo. The only "worthy" leftist movements in these people's minds are the ones that failed, because they weren't tested under real world conditions. Anarchism in the Spanish civil war, Allende, those are fine to glorify because they ultimately lost, and that way you can keep your moral high ground and standards by worshipping an idealised version of them rather than real-life socialism with material and historical costraints
In a nutshell, alternative-imperialists with a leftist bent. They're hypocrites. "Imperialism is evil...with these exceptions, those empires are cool".
It's frustrating trying to talk with tankies, because really I agree with practically all of their criticisms of the US and a few criticisms of NATO and the West at large. But then that gets turned around into a justification for X formerly-socialist country drafting soldiers to invade sovereign country "Y" with practically unanimous resistance, and I just don't see how the hell that's supposed to help the working class of either state.