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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

Update: position got backed up by an official Proton post on Mastodon, it's an official Proton statement now. https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503

Update 2, plot-twist: they removed this response from Mastodon - seems they realize it exploded into their face!

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is a guy's personal opinion about one aspect of a politician's program. The only fact he mentions is just that, a fact. His insinuation that Democrats are supported by big business is also fairly defensible. There's no obvious link to his company's practices. The opinion is banal and widespread. You and a bunch of others here are treating this semi-non-story like some kind of religious heresy. I can tell you're American just from that fact.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

His insinuation that Democrats are supported by big business is also fairly defensible

The truth comes out. You think this is a "both sides" thing, and you agree with it.

No, what's being said ITT is that he's praising trump prematurely and people don't want to support a business run by people who do that. Incredibly simple, and might I add, logical.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You think this is a “both sides” thing

I don't. I'm not American (as if it wasn't already clear) but if I were then I would have voted for anyone but Trump and done it with both hands. He's a literal insurrectionist, an obvious criminal, a complete charlatan, a nasty bully, and generally an all-round terrible human being. I'm a pretty phlegmatic person so these are big words and I mean it.

But I still won't judge a whole company based on the personal opinions of one of its employees.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

...this is their CEO. "One of their employees" couldn't possibly be more unrepresentative here.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's fair. Still, I will judge the company on what it does. The situation calls for vigilance, not hysterically running for the exit. Until proof to the contrary is forthcoming, Proton can still be considered a force for good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is this thread hysterical? I don't think so. Only saw like 3 people saying they would see this as a sign to stop patronizing the company, which makes sense to me entirely. You might be misreading the tone here.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well one thing's for sure anyway: you're intolerantly downvoting all my opinions while I'm letting yours stand. Symptomatic of my underlying point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Weird, I noticed all my comments got a downvote by the time I loaded your replies. In any case, reading so much into a downvote might also fall under "misreading tone". Kinda laughable to me in any case that downvoting could correlate to such political turmoil which is what you seem to be saying.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably not but censoriousness over wrong opinions is definitely a US specialty these days. I see in the culture and I've seen it in person with my own eyes. Culture can have deep roots and America, after all, was founded by religious fundamentalists. The 1st Amendment probably plays a role too. You don't see any of this because you're on the inside.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I would probably agree with you to some degree within other contexts, but I do not see anything like that here. It's easy, vote with your wallet. Don't like something a company or its executives do? Don't give them money, done, easy.

Praising trump for something he hasn't even done yet seems like a no brainer to me. It's indicative of an attitude held by the person that can make sweeping changes to Proton as a company. I don't see how it's controversial honestly. If this post also showed a campaign of people demanding everyone stop using proton over this opinion, maybe you'd have a point. Spreading it for awareness is a good thing, not "hysteria".

Edit: One last thing, can you provide evidence that any of this originated in America? "You are on the inside and don't see it" is not evidence.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Fair enough. We can agree on that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

But I still won’t judge a whole company based on the personal opinions of one of its employees.

It's not a personal opinion:

Notice how it says "here is our official response"