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submitted 4 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Same could be said about other distros, btw ;)

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 days ago (14 children)

IMHO Debian and Ubuntu should be swapped: swapped:

Debian as the serious guy, that's doing the hard work under the hood while the flashy Ubuntu gets the credit for being popular.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But Debian doesn't sell enterprise support while trying to screw its users

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

10+ year Ubuntu user here, how have I been screwed again?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Let's ignore all the anti-consumer bs (like selling user data to Amazon) and just focus on snaps.

each snap installed slows down your boot time
snaps get installed even when you don't expect them to (apt get install firefox for example)
snap store is closed source

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

each snap installed slows down your boot time

How so? How much impact are we talking? First I've heard of this

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It needs to mount virtual directories for each snap. If I remember correctly it does a part of the job on boot and part on login.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Not really noticed it tbh:

1.951s snapd.seeded.service

1.673s snapd.service

Seems to be a lot longer than the mounts themselves but even then pretty minimal impact:

$ systemd-analyze blame | grep snap | grep mount
   86ms snap-bare-5.mount
   85ms snap-blanket-49.mount
   84ms snap-btop-813.mount
   83ms snap-btop-814.mount
   82ms snap-chromium-3010.mount
   82ms snap-chromium-3025.mount
   80ms snap-core18-2829.mount
   79ms snap-core18-2846.mount
   78ms snap-core20-2379.mount
   77ms snap-core20-2434.mount
   76ms snap-core22-1663.mount
   76ms snap-core22-1722.mount
   75ms snap-core24-609.mount
   74ms snap-core24-716.mount
   73ms snap-cups-1067.mount
   72ms snap-firefox-5600.mount
   71ms snap-firefox-5647.mount
   70ms snap-firmware\x2dupdater-127.mount
   69ms snap-firmware\x2dupdater-147.mount
   68ms snap-gnome\x2d3\x2d28\x2d1804-198.mount
   67ms snap-gnome\x2d3\x2d38\x2d2004-140.mount
   66ms snap-gnome\x2d3\x2d38\x2d2004-143.mount
   65ms snap-gnome\x2d42\x2d2204-172.mount
   64ms snap-gnome\x2d42\x2d2204-176.mount
   63ms snap-gnome\x2d46\x2d2404-66.mount
   62ms snap-gnome\x2d46\x2d2404-77.mount
   61ms snap-gtk\x2dcommon\x2dthemes-1534.mount
   60ms snap-gtk\x2dcommon\x2dthemes-1535.mount
   59ms snap-libreoffice-330.mount
   58ms snap-libreoffice-334.mount
   57ms snap-mesa\x2d2404-143.mount
   56ms snap-mesa\x2d2404-44.mount
   55ms snap-nvtop-171.mount
   54ms snap-pinta-33.mount
   53ms snap-pinta-37.mount
   52ms snap-snap\x2dstore-1244.mount
   51ms snap-snap\x2dstore-1248.mount
   50ms snap-snapd-23258.mount
   49ms snap-snapd-23545.mount
   48ms snap-snapd\x2ddesktop\x2dintegration-247.mount
   47ms snap-snapd\x2ddesktop\x2dintegration-253.mount
   46ms snap-surfshark-51.mount
   44ms snap-telegram\x2ddesktop-6489.mount
   43ms snap-transmission-100.mount
   42ms snap-youtube\x2ddl-4630.mount
   41ms snap-youtube\x2ddl-4806.mount
   40ms var-snap-firefox-common-host\x2dhunspell.mount
   24ms snap-telegram\x2ddesktop-6495.mount

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Also remember that systemd isn't generally doing this in series, waiting for each unit before starting the next. It's firing off a bunch of units and then continuing what it does. If it were measuring the actual time that a unit takes without including the fact that it's waiting for resources that other units are using, it's highly unlikely that bare, which is basically empty, would take longer than massive snaps like Firefox and the GNOME content snaps.

Theoretically with a huge number of snaps and slow enough storage media this could have a noticeable effect, but in practice that case is highly unlikely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What's the total without the second grep?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Using mistral to calculate this but looks close enough

1921 + 1673 + 242 + 85 + 84 + 84 + 83 + 82 + 81 + 80 + 79 + 77 + 77 + 75 + 74 + 73 + 72 + 71 + 70 + 69 + 68 + 68 + 67 + 66 + 65 + 64 + 63 + 62 + 61 + 60 + 59 + 58 + 57 + 56 + 55 + 54 + 53 + 52 + 52 + 51 + 50 + 48 + 48 + 47 + 46 + 45 + 44 + 43 + 41 + 21 + 18 = 7264ms

So, the total sum of all the time values is 7264 milliseconds, or 7.264 seconds

Removing the snapd services: 7264ms - 3836ms = 3428ms

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Let's not forget the sending unity search results to Amazon fiasco

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

Ubuntu is the Microsoft of Linux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I did not know about this so I found a source talking more about it, dropping it for anyone curious

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

trying to

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