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Another convicted January 6 US Capitol attacker rejects Trump’s pardon (www.theguardian.com)

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Jason Riddle says he rejected pardon because ‘it happened. I did those things, and they weren’t pardonable’

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Fairly certain it doesn't take it off your record? It just means you get out of the rest of your sentence. You have to admit guilt to accept a pardon IIRC.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Maybe it doesn't automatically expunge the record, but a pardon does fully restore one's civil rights. If they were pardoned then they received "…complete forgiveness of a crime and…" had their "…full rights of citizenship" restored.(Source.)

A pardon is an expression of the President’s forgiveness and ordinarily is granted in recognition of the applicant’s acceptance of responsibility for the crime and established good conduct for a significant period of time after conviction or completion of sentence. It does not signify innocence. It does, however, remove civil disabilities – e.g., restrictions on the right to vote, hold state or local office, or sit on a jury – imposed because of the conviction for which pardon is sought, and should lessen the stigma arising from the conviction. It may also be helpful in obtaining licenses, bonding, or employment. (Source.)

In other words, these pardon refusers are self-righteous twerps. Maybe they don't deserve whatever rights they've given up on that basis alone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

ordinarily is granted in recognition of the applicant’s acceptance of responsibility for the crime

Emphasis mine. Trump is not "recognizing acceptance of responsibility," he outright thinks what they did was good. Accepting his help is to all but say "I did nothing wrong." You should know that; the people who refused the pardons sure did.

Maybe they don’t deserve whatever rights they’ve given up on that basis alone.

That sure is one hell of a nasty statement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Trump is not “recognizing acceptance of responsibility,” he outright thinks what they did was good.

Lol so what?

Accepting his help is to all but say “I did nothing wrong.”

How? Is it not possible to accept a pardon while admitting culpability and accepting responsibility? To say that it isn't in to contradict the explanation I found on the justice.gov site.

That sure is one hell of a nasty statement.

Like I said, the January Sixthers are all morons. These pardon refusers are just the least sympathetic of them. So many people hope and pray for a pardon everyday. It's incredibly selfish to reject one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Lol so what?

He's the President. Him giving the pardons directly contradicts the idea that the pardons are given "in recognition of the applicant’s acceptance of responsibility," rendering that portion of your source irrelevant.

Those who're refusing his pardon are the most respectable and sympathetic of them, because they are choosing to stand up for their principles and own up to their mistakes rather than accept a convenient get-out-of-jail-free card that nobody should've gotten to begin with. There is nothing whatsoever that is selfish about that, and suggesting they deserve to lose their rights as a result is outright cruel.