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Being a devils advocate is not enlightened centrism or bringing 'balance'. It's having a debate for the sake of having a debate. I don't hold those views, hence why they're so marked. Otherwise political discussion drains away as everyone sits in their respective silos. Im inviting people (if they want) to articulate their view beyond their emotional reaction.
You’re really not doing that and I do not have the time or energy to explain to it to you. Congrats on your opportunity to think on that, I wish you much luck.
Thanks.
If anyone else wants to explain I'm all ears
You are not defending a position, all you're doing is playing an adult version of the toddler "why" game. If you want a debate or to have discussion you need to add something to it. State your position and defend it.
If the end result was exactly the same and you had a choice between treating them like normal people and sending them on commercial aircraft with prior notice, or handcuffing them and transporting them on military aircraft with no notice, which would you say is the best way to deport them?
i am repeating myself but the view i'm illustrating is essentially this:
it is harmful in multiple ways for a soverign state to appear to not have control of its border
entering a country illegally is a serious crime
where there is a popular perception of excessive lenience, it is acceptable to show criminals in handcuffs which is not in itself particularly unusual
using a miliiary airplane is grandstanding, yes. but it also illustrates that these people were not citizens when they broke american law and it is ok for a country to draw a firm line on things like this particuarly if they want it to stop
you can see elsewhere in this thread that i agreed with this point and i thought it was a good counter argument. even IF if were appropriate to handcuff criminals and deport them using non-civilian means, it's ultimately an uneconomical use of money. (though one could argue that there is value in publicising that this is a crime against the state, which it is, and is being treated as such)