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I really want to know what all those folks on Lemmy that didn't vote for Kamala because Biden wasn't doing enough for Gaza think of this. We warned you.
800,000 dead people gave* you a lot to gloat about, didn't it.
You do know that Palestinian journalists on the ground there said they knew it didn't matter who was in office. 800,000 dead Palestinians under Biden and Harris. But continue on.
There's no gloating here. This was a preventable escalation, but people played a moronic game and now we all have to live with the consequences.
Was it though? Was it preventable? I think survival and preservation of life is the goal right? Would you agree?
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For some folx... and from their points of view, it wasn't good, it hasn't been good, and it won't be good. Now it's just shitty for everyone. I don't agree with it but if I'm going to shit on anyone for what was inevitable, anyway, it isn't going to be people who genuinely wanted 800,000 people to not be dead. The third party voters didn't tip the scale. The non voters did an asshole thing. The MAGA voters are a whole other discussion. But the wedge thing, it's tired. We should hop over the wedge.
Yes, Trump trying to take Palestine for the US, possibly with US troops was preventable.
Was all loss of human life preventable? No, because the US Govt does not control Isreal but considers its relationship with Israel critical.
People need to get off their high horses and vote on the spectrum, not on single issues.
I didn't like everything about Kamala but acting like not voting in protest was "the right thing to do" is not a good answer. I hate that our bombs were used on Palestinians, but people need to accept their protest vote moved things one step backwards.
You're doing a lot of talking about "not driving a wedge", but I didn't drive a wedge. I voted for the clearly more qualified candidate, some others decided "I don't like what that candidate has done for Israel, so even though I agree with her on so many other things, I'm not voting for her."
The wedge is these idiotic purity tests the left keeps applying where "if you don't agree on this particular issue, you're not one of us, and you don't get my vote."
It's obnoxious that these folks had the audacity to tell people "if you vote for Kamala you're a horrible person because Palestinians will die." You know who's going to die because of their vote? Lots of people. Climate change and pollution kills. The destruction of the US AID office kills. Disease kills. Between the three, we may see many many more deaths than we can even fathom.
My only point, respectfully, is 800,000 people are dead. What was anyone in leadership doing to stop it and to prevent it from happening any further?
Let me be clear, I was for swing states voting for Harris because I am fully aware of how dictatorships roll but voting for Harris wasn't going to stop the dictatorship from rolling. It was on the way and going to roll. If Harris had won, it would've been just a little bit more down the road. But the cop cities were and are being built. The police indemnity is already in place and growing. The Pal protestors and the orgs for peace were already being legislated as terrorist orgs. The billionaires and democratic mayors were already sicking police and fascist mobs on the protestors. Bombs were still being sent to kill more than 800,000 people. Brown people were still being gunned down and mistreated by the state sanctioned slave catchers in the US. Muslim Americans were still seeing a crazy uptick in violence against their communities and the Democrats were barring them from speaking at the DNC.
In some people's purview, shit wasn't good under the Dems. Maybe better for me? For you? Sure. I've had many black internetizens say "Oh? It's finally bad for YOU. It's been bad for us the entire time." Even my Mexican co-workers here in Los Angeles shrug their shoulders and say it's not new for them.
But you're right. It's not good. I don't condone it. Most of us don't. But I also don't condone feeding into this wedge argument pitting working class against working class when all anyone wanted was for 800,000 people to not be dead, for politicians to hold slave catchers accountable, and for money and jobs to come back to this place.