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Kagi Introducing Fair Pricing (kagi.com)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What about weapons? Money buy those too. Or that doesn't count for your moral principles?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

US weapons are defending Ukraine as we speak.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So they cancel each other? Do you get a choice when you pay a US company to state that those taxes will need to go to Ukraine and not Israel?

Also there is a quantitative difference:

yandex is a small % of kagi cost, of that a small percentage will go to Russian government (directly or indirectly) and of those money a part will go into military.
kagi is US based, and Google is their main cost center. So if you consider a 10$ subscription a much much bigger chunk will go to US companies or people - who also live in US and spend money there, generating taxes. A part of all these money will go into weapons sent to Israel (or to bomb Somalia, etc.). A part will also go to Ukraine, which for the broken watch theory is one of the few times US military expense is used for something good (probably worth some caveats but OK).

Can you please elaborate what causes for you to perceive these two facts as completely different?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Russians directly kill, rape, and torture Ukrainians. To compare this to a country that only sells weapons to Israel (and Ukraine too) is real dishonest.

It's a false equivalence

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

US gives (incl. donating) weapons to Israel with the precise purpose of those being used in the current massacres. Also let's not forget this is an absolutely momentary perspective. US was invading, torturing and bombing civilians until few years ago.

Now, I won't claim it is equivalent, because it's not and frankly doesn't matter: if your morals say that one is OK and the other is not then I will simply disagree with those morals.

To me a moral argument is based on principles: if I don't want my money to be spent on killing people, it doesn't matter much if the killing happens slightly indirectly. Solid principles don't hide behind thin layers of deniability.

So, I would expect someone with ironclad morals that want to avoid a small and indirect amount of money that to end up to Russia to also recognize that if the money go to the US government they have a pretty nice chance to also to result in people being killed (or right now to fund deportations etc.). However, I am interested in your perspective. You have stressed a lot on the two things not being equal, maybe you can explain how this difference changes everything for you, and makes one okay while the other unacceptable.