Politics

oh wow, are we at the “bringing up non-sequitur talking points” point of this debate already?

You claimed that "Democrats have no principles. they’ll campaign on anything they think will get them votes." My point was that on the two biggest problems of the day, the last Democrat to be in office worked hard on it, and that's relevant here.

If you're talking only about campaigning, saying that regardless of their principled performance in office, their messaging is incoherent dogshit that matches whatever they think people want to hear but doesn't even do a good job of that, we can agree completely.

And, actually, on most Democrats we can agree as to that they just don't do much. I just think Biden was an exception, with Gaza as a notable return to the norm, which was tragic for everybody.

Democrats’ opposition to climate change isn’t based on principles, it’s based on “say whatever we need to say to get elected”.

Biden was the first US president who ever took any kind of big action on climate change. We needed to do ten times more, and we needed to do it 20 years ago, but if your metric for "opposition to climate change" is based purely on campaign statements, not on anything that people actually do, then I would request a reframing of the landscape.

Of course, as far as "normal" Democrats, you're completely right. Biden was an outlier. Most of them don't seem to give a shit.

You listed all the favorite talking points about individual things that Biden did bad on the climate. If you look at the entire picture, it looks like this:

https://www.statista.com/chart/27935/how-the-inflation-reduction-act-will-affect-us-ghg-emissions/

Or like this, if you consider infographics suspect:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-were-the-climate-policies-in-the-ira-and-what-will-happen-to-them-after-the-2024-election/#%3A%7E%3Atext=All+together%2C+the+climate+provisions%2Cto+40%25+below+2005+levels.

so Biden gets a talking point about how he reduced income inequality…but for actual low-income people, nothing materially improves. again, this underscores the point I was making. Democrats don’t have “help poor people” as a principle, they just want to get votes based on a perception that they help the poor.

Here's a summary of what you're talking about:

https://www.epi.org/publication/swa-wages-2023/

Relevant excerpt:

Between 2019 and 2023, hourly wage growth was strongest at the bottom of the wage distribution. The 10th-percentile real hourly wage grew 13.2% over the four-year period. To be clear, these are real (inflation-adjusted) wage changes. Overall inflation grew nearly 20%, or about 4.5% annually, between 2019 and 2023. Even with this historically fast inflation, particularly in the immediate aftermath of the pandemic recession, low-end wages grew substantially faster than price growth. Nominal wages (i.e., not inflation-adjusted) rose by roughly 34% cumulatively since 2019.

There's actually a specific reason why high-end wages dropped, during that time: Biden pursued deliberately inflationary policies, during the worst of the Covid recovery, to keep unemployment low. The alternative would have been to let unemployment stay high, depress wages, but make the rich people happy by keeping inflation lower than it would have been. He did the first one. Are you interested in me digging up an article on the details? They're pretty interesting.

2022 was the inflation year, when absolutely historic inflation slammed every country in the world, and in the US it was worse (temporarily) because of Biden's specifically working-person-friendly policies. Again, if you're genuinely interested in this stuff, let me know and I'll look up an article, I just don't want to do it if you're not planning to engage with it. It's not surprising to me that if you hit the pause button exactly in 2022, real wages looked the same as 2019, since 10th percentile wages were already steadily rising, but inflation was around 8% that year.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

After that, even after Covid, wages at the 10th percentile grew very steeply. High-income earners continued to lose out a little bit, the middle of the scale stayed pretty much even, and low-income earners saw their biggest gains since LBJ. Again, if you're interested in more than the articles I already sent, let me know, and I'll dig up some more details.

This is all by way of response to you saying that Democrats don't actually do anything, more or less, they just run around making things worse and asking for money and votes. Actually, as far as most Democrats I think that's pretty accurate (although voting for them so the Republicans don't get into office and start killing people on purpose still seems sensible to me). But Biden was an exception.