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I really shouldn't have to point out that Luigi did not fix this problem, but people are still operating under the bizarre impression that assassinating CEOs will fix a systemic healthcare issue and the Trump Administration will do something helpful with the cost of healthcare.
The fact that this happened and people are still thinking you can assassinate your way out of capitalist healthcare or that CEOs aren't just as disposable as everyone else in a corporation baffles me. But then people still think Republicans can be voted out of office.
I want what happened to have changed things for the better. It didn't. And assassinating five or fifteen more CEOs wouldn't get Trump to implement socialized medicine either.
I think people have given up on the idea that there will ever be any sort of health care reform (even though we did see prices frozen on some drugs last administration) and through the clearest sense of Americanism, guns and violence have become the only answer
Also hi Flying Squid, hope you're doing well <3
Hello. Could be better. I need a job.
That’s fair and constructive criticism (against those who claim violent revolution is the only answer.) So what solution do you propose would realistically bring about change?
I'm not even arguing against violent revolution. I'm arguing against the idea that you can make systemic changes by assassinating CEOs and this is being demonstrated right now.
Hey Mods: FWIW, this comment wasn't advocating violence. There is a stark difference between a call to action, and a call to apathy. It was tongue-in-cheek describing perhaps trying to make generalizations about certain methods of political change being ineffective with a sample size of one is just bad science. More data is simply needed.
More philosophically, I am vehemently against the idea that violence doesn't solve problems or it is somehow taboo because it is a absurd to believe. These are comforting lies we tell ourselves when the state's monopoly on violence is used all the time to solve problems. Not much happens in history without consequences that draw blood. And it is pants-on-head crazy to pretend that isn't the true.
All of that said, of humanity's previous attempts to enact social change, usually a lot more of the aristocracy needs to be personally affected in not so pleasant ways. I don't really think this event was even an attempt at change. And since no one else has really tried to copy the alleged killer, and it is unlikely that anyone will, even if this was intended as change, no change is gonna happen. And so here we are, not really all that sad about the dead dude because of what he represents, but also not all that happy that there was another dude running around gunning people down, even if we're pretty indifferent about who he gunned down
Very droll, but this is exactly the kind of thinking that lets people sit back and expect other people to take care of these problems when they should be out in the streets or on their phones or, at the very least, using the power of the internet to get others involved.
You're not wrong. But everyone has other things they would rather do than deal with shitheads. It is so exhausting.
Sure, and that's also a big problem. But just expecting other people to solve this one on your behalf with a bullet in the right brain is not going to work.
Maybe. But notice how that narrative has disappeared from mainstream media entirely. Back when people running printing presses were on the side of the revolutionaries, things escalated.
What I am noticing is the pervasive narrative that if a few more (very replaceable) CEOs die, America's healthcare problems will be solved.
I get that they are all replaceable. It reads as a broader statement against all industry, rather than just healthcare.
It's a bad narrative no matter how broadly you want to make it.
You cannot assassinate your way out of systemic issues. You certainly can't just sit around and wait for other people to assassinate people on your behalf and expect it to make things better for you.
But sure, keep hoping for the next Luigi to come along and end capitalism with one well-placed bullet.
I don't think anyone thought he did fix it all. But it's the same way normal, sane, people end up fighting insurgencies against the government. They feel like they've exhausted every other avenue to solve big problems.
We can't count on the government. We can't count on the doctors. And we certainly can't count on the corporations themselves. What's left?
People sure seem to think if you assassinate enough CEOs, the problem will be fixed. See literally this meme.
Yeah, that's the beginnings of people deciding government isn't going to help them and they have to deal with this on their own. It should be scary as fuck because, especially under Trump, it's going to lead to escalations in the security state which will only lead to escalations from the people.
It's going to get worse before it gets better.
Except they aren’t doing that. They’re calling on somebody else to do it for them. They keep saying, “we need another Luigi.” They’re not planning to do anything themselves. That’s pretty clear. This is a way of avoiding doing anything, not doing anything.
That's not quite right in my opinion. Think of kids on the playground.
You do it
No you do it!
They're amping themselves up. Because they're adults, and not talking about poking a bug with a stick, it will most likely stay that way until someone in that group is badly affected by the system. Or until someone provides leadership.
Either way it's trending towards violence.
Who in America who isn't rich has not been badly affected by the system?
Yes, but no one wants to do that. Everyone wants "the next Luigi" to take care of the problem instead. It's just an excuse to not do anything.
Yet.
How long exactly is it going to take? Weeks? Months? Years? Because from what I can see, things are getting much worse. Rapidly.
And you are doing exactly what I am suggesting by just waiting for someone else to do things before you consider doing them.
Oh gosh there's a misunderstanding here. I'm not asking for more political violence. I'm merely offering what I've observed and learned about this stuff. The time cycle is unpredictable but if conditions get worse then it's a shorter cycle.
I'm gonna have to disagree. When we're able to give these sociopaths something to fear you'll see change happen. Nothing else will work but violent revolution.
"We" are doing no such thing. That's part of the problem. You and everyone else here want someone to commit assassination on their behalf. You're just hoping for someone else to take care of things and not even in a realistic way.
Alright then what do "we" do to fix the problem?
I've literally talked about this already, but since you can't be bothered to scroll down:
Are you this ornery off the Internet?
You asked me a question I already answered. I showed you the answer. The least you could do is acknowledge that fact.
That's true, but you come off as perpetually annoyed in your replies.
Once again- the very least you could do is acknowledge I answered your question.
Perhaps I am coming across as annoyed because you are refusing to do that.
Alright you answered my question. I hope you find some peace though.