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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?
this post was submitted on 06 Feb 2025
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Except she was working for peace to end the genocide. You keep skipping over that reality as if it were meaningless.
How do you realistically propose to dismantle Israel in a way which wouldn't qualify as genocide?
I'm not skipping over the deals she was making. I'm just not relying on it as the singularly decisive factor in determining her contribution to the conflict. As well as highlighting the context in which it was done.
How did we dismantle the nazi state in a way that didn't qualify as genocide?
Working for peace is the exact opposite of contributing to the conflict.
Killing 4.4 to 5.3 million Nazis was part of that achievement. It was not achieved peacefully. Thankfully "Nazi" isn't an ethnicity, but Israeli Jews are and ethnic group.
I was actually trying to use a neutral phrase. Meaning that it would be possible to have a positive contribution to resolving the conflict. As I think I've made clear, I don't believe it was positive overall because of a few factors I've tried to lay out. Can you say that you aren't skipping over factors I've presented to come to your conclusion?
That was the war that got us to the place where we were able to make demands of the state and hold them accountable for their actions. At the moment, it doesn't seem like war is required to give the US that kind of sway over the state of Israel.
They are irrelevant. You don't try to stop something you support.
Do you expect that Netanyahu would step down from power if we asked?
They are inconvenient to your argument. This is you dismissing evidence in order to preserve a worldview. Practically the definition of being close minded.
She didn't try to stop it, that would require holding the aggressors accountable for their actions. If there's no accountability, why wouldn't they just pick up where they left off?
Yes. If the USA, the world's largest superpower and Israel's biggest benefactor and arms dealer, were to demand he step down, I don't think he would feel he had much choice. Maybe he'd try to start a war because of it, but it wouldn't last very long. Assuming we actually had intention behind the demand.
I thought maybe you were misinformed before, but now I know you are just lying. We just agreed she was working for peace. That is trying to stop it.
Then you are completely ignorant to the political situation in Israel. Holding power is the one thing stopping Netanyahu from going to prison. He won't step down under any circumstances.
No we did not. You agreed with yourself. I said there's no peace without justice and no stopping without accountability.
On both parts and others you're flat out ignoring major pieces of my argument. I have no desire to respond to someone who engages disingenuously like that.
Being called disingenuous by you is hilarious.
You seem like a really bad listener. I bet there's people no longer in your life because of it.