this post was submitted on 14 Feb 2025
472 points (98.4% liked)

Fediverse

30213 readers
1045 users here now

A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).

If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to [email protected]!

Rules

Learn more at these websites: Join The Fediverse Wiki, Fediverse.info, Wikipedia Page, The Federation Info (Stats), FediDB (Stats), Sub Rehab (Reddit Migration), Search Lemmy

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

There have been various posts here in the last days describing how difficult it is for new people to start using Lemmy. In fact they are absolutely correct, it is much easier to get started on Reddit. But what many forget is that Lemmy is not a corporation employing dozens of full-time designers, running A/B-tests and so on. Lemmy is an open source project run by volunteers, with only @dessalines and me working on it full-time. Neither of us is a particularly good designer, and our time is mainly spent working on the backend (database, federation, api), and preparing the upcoming 1.0 release.

If you see anything on join-lemmy.org or in the Lemmy UI itself that could be improved, the best option is to make that improvement yourself. Both of them use standard web technologies (nodejs, tailwindcss, inferno etc). The userbase here is quite technical so there are many of you able to contribute. We rarely reject any pull requests as long as they make a real improvement. Though it usually requires a little back and forth to review the changes and then address the review comments.

You can find the source code for join-lemmy.org here and follow development instructions in the readme. Regarding the default Lemmy UI go here and read the documentation with development instructions. If you are not a developer you can still help, for example by improving the documentation. Additionally you can make changes to the texts for joinlemmy and lemmy-ui.

All this said, there have also been some suggestions to make onboarding easier by directing new users to a hardcoded default instance. This may sound like a good idea at first but won't work well in practice. Running such an instance would take significant time for administration and moderation, but we maintainers are already too busy. Besides it would be impossible to reach an agreement who this default instance should federate with or how exactly it should be moderated. So if you want to get nontechnical users to Lemmy, the solution is to link them directly to a specific instance based on their interests.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (14 children)

My proposal have been a little more complicated, but IMO works well for a BFU:

  • create some set of rules for "default instances" - every instance that wants to be in the list must follow them and will be periodically checked
    • I don't have any particular rules in mind, but some examples might include active moderation team, obviously registrations being open and if you really want to make it easy, either no application question or having it automatically approved by an automod of some kind
  • on join-lemmy, present a registration form that will create an account on a randomly selected instance from the pool and redirect there afterwards
  • there should be a link somewhere for "experts" where you could link to the current wizard

I'm willing to work on this if we can sit down and agree on the criteria for the pool. I can also ask my UX guy to help a little.

Feel free to text me here or on Matrix if this is something you think is worth pursuing. I'd also appreciate if you let me know it's not the direction you want to go in.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I don’t have any particular rules in mind, but some examples might include active moderation team, obviously registrations being open and if you really want to make it easy, either no application question or having it automatically approved by an automod of some kind

Hexbear meets those requirements, which rule would you add to exclude them? Back in the day, exploding heads would fit them too

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Cooking up global fediverse rules specifically meant to try and exclude an instance is crossing the line imo. If you don't like interacting with them, join one of the many instances that have already blocked them.

This kind of crusade goes against the spirit of the fediverse imo.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

These aren't global fediverse rules, they're constraints meant to apply specifically to the new user experience on Lemmy only.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)