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[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago (44 children)

Better than not voting and doing nothing.

The best would be voting and being an activist.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago (36 children)

The US is not a democracy, it's a capitalist dictatorship.

Some Background: History conditions much of our thinking about our political systems and most Western democracies resemble Rome’s in 60 BC when, as Robin Daverman humorously says, three aristocrats–politician Julius Caesar, military hero Pompey and billionaire Crassus–formed a backroom alliance that dominated the elected senate. The oligarchs ensured that proletarii votes changed nothing and that the masses remained invisible unless they rioted or died in one of the elites’ endless civil wars. Two thousand years later, in Britain’s general election of 1784, the son of the First Earl of Chatham and Hester Grenville, sister of the previous Prime Minister George Grenville, and the son of the First Baron Holland and Lady Caroline Lennox, daughter of Second Duke of Richmond, offered voters offered a choice of dukes. Today, in many European countries (even egalitarian Sweden) ‘democracy’ is a mere veneer over powerful feudal aristocracies that still control their economies. American voters recently watched a former president’s wife competing with a former president’s brother being defeated by a billionaire who installed his daughter and son-in-law in important government positions and ensured that, as John Dewey said, “U.S. politics will remain the shadow cast on society by big business as long as power resides in business for private profit through private control of banking, land and industry, reinforced by command of the press and other means of propaganda”. Most Western politicians are related by marriage or wealth and have, like all hereditary classes, lost sympathy with the broad mass of their fellow citizens to the extent that, as American political scientists Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page found, ‘the preferences of the average American appear to have a near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy’

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Even if one accepts the argument that voting is not productive, that doesn't inherently justify not participating. There's plenty of things people do daily that are not productive or useful uses of their time.

Please demonstrate the harm caused by voting in the presidential elections.

Even if it's not productive, it takes at absolute worst case living in a hellscape without properly staffed polling places, one day out of your time every four years. I was able to do it and get back to my shit in 30 minutes this time, from the time I left home to the time I got back.

So even if it's useless, for me it was the same as sitting on my ass and watching a TV show. Explain why that is such a horrendous waste of my time that I should have instead not done it at all.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The harm is simple, people get the illusion they're making a difference and that it's enough, it also legitimizes voting as the way to change things despite ample evidence it doesn't.

This leads to Dems hating protestors, or telling protestors to protest quietly and no in the road. This leads to liberals hating the working class when they go in strike, because why didn't they just vote for better conditions. It leads to liberals hating anything useful, because they already did the only 'useful' thing and voted.

This leads to lesser evilism and accepting institutions as the foundation of society, instead of any ideology that will positively change things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Nah, this is not harm, this is "basically, way too many people are fucking idiots". Idiots enough to think that just with "I voted"tm they have done something to really move things toward a better life for everyone

Well... true that only voting does not much help when those who make the rules are not someone you can influence. Also true that abandoning voting is just plain dumb.

Saddest part: I have no answer to the question of how to make a society that works well for everyone with people who do not understand that to ensure wellbeing of anyone the wellbeing of all and everyone must be ensured

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