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I bit ago I made a post detailing the Egg prime directive in Egg irl. To be clear that was a policy post but it also helped outline the concept in a way that many people don't do. Most descriptions of the Egg prime directive are either incomplete or, purposefully uncharitable. So it's good to clarify it.

This is a different kind of post, unlike that one it's not a policy post in regards to community enforcement, it's more meant to address the issue in a general sense.

Today I'm going to talk about why the Egg Prime Directive is important, and also more importantly, why people disagreeing with it or not following it isn't acceptable.

First why does it matter? Well I discussed it heavily in my other post but the gist of it is that it is important to respect the way a person identifies themselves, the pronouns they use, the label they call themselves. Regardless of how they look or present themselves. It seems like a pretty fundamental concept that there shouldn't be any issue with, yet somehow many people seem to have an issue with it and don't do it. When a person's identity isn't respected it can be deeply hurtful and is ultimately deeply disrespectful to them.

Why 'disagreement' with the egg is problematic at best? Well the thing is, because the Egg Prime Directive is solely about respecting the way a person identifies themselves and their autonomy to identify themselves in a way that they see fit, to argue against it is to argue against people's validity to self-identification. It's not much different from arguing against certain aspects of trans rights. Ultimately many instances where people break the Egg Prime Directive are targeting individuals who are Gender-Nonconforming or even NonBinary.

Some people argue that they should be able to break it to fight cisnormativity. However this is a very poor justification to try and make it seem okay to violate someone else's gender identification and ultimately isn't being done for their benefit, it is going against their right to identify as any gender or use any label they feel like. To be clear, they have that right, all the time. The idea that someone doesn't have the right to identify as their preferred gender or label in certain circumstances is downright dystopian.

Bottom line, there is no such thing as respectful disagreement with this concept, going against the Egg Prime Directive is solely an act of going against another person's identification. It isn't respectful to them as a person. It's very similar to "respectful transmedicalism" or "respectful transphobia" in this regard. It is a harmful behavior made out as if it's respectful or good.

Oh and By the way. Before someone tries to argue that Egging is "politely explaining what trans means to someone" this subject has been covered in the last post and respectful support and education is NOT Egging, and is freely allowed by the Egg prime directive, if not explicitly encouraged, trying to argue as if it somehow isn't is disingenuous, and frankly seems extremely uncharitable.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I think what a lot of people in your position fail to understand is that for someone else to challenge or debate your identity when you don't know, or worse, are okay with or even happy with the way you currently identify can feel extremely shitty. It's not going to necessarily make a person who's comfortable with their gender seriously question their gender, but depending on the hostility of the egg culture and the kind of arguments people are making it can make them question reality or feel like there is something that is wrong with them. The worst cases of Egging are outright gaslighting, and torment. One hallmark of it is that the person being egged doesn't have a say in it or a way to formally get out of it.

It also doesn't target cis people either. See a lot of people in your position think it's a trans vs. cis thing, but it isn't. It almost explicitly targets Gender-Non-conforming people. That also includes people who are nonbinary, genderfluid, transmasc. People who might be seen in these situations as some form of trans-in-denial. When they aren't even cis to begin with. Maybe you think that's different but the kind of egging you're talking about, based on external ""signs"" or presentation doesn't discriminate, it catches all GNC people in the net, especially those who are stealth or otherwise not openly Trans/NB/Genderfluid.

~~Now to say it's to fight cisnormitivity is laughable to me, and many other people to be honest, because gender stereotypes and gender conformity is one of the most cisnormative things there is out there. Think about it, the idea that only girls wear makeup, or dresses, or can act/dress cute, that isn't something that we stand for. Yet it is the backbone of that kind of egging.~~

Edit: I want to clarify that I'm in no way trying to imply that trans people are enforcing gender stereotypes. I am trying to point out that the act of egging people based on gender presentation and non-conformity is enforcing those stereotypes, as if to imply that someone dressing or acting a particular way means they are that gender. I'm not saying that trans people are enforcing gender stereotypes. Quite the opposite. My criticism is toward Egging as a behavior.

And I’m sorry but, because of all that, I genuinely believe that the “egg prime directive” kills people.

It makes me wonder how many Nonbinary, Genderfluid, or even transmasc people have also been killed by unfounded egging. By the aggressive presumption of their gender identity, making them feel bad or invalid and not feeling like the world accepts them. I'm Agender, I've gone through this before and I know what I'm taking about. Having someone argue to you that you are something that you aren't sucks ass. Invalidation sucks, who knew.

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