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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For persecution of Jews, it's of course let bygones be bygones. No need to do anything about it now. /s Pure hypocrisy from you.

That may be your view on the persecution of Palestinians, but no. Those countries should of course institute legal protections Jewish people and reparations for those families that lost valuables and property. Like how Europe should have done during and after WWII, instead European countries didn't even lift limits on asylum for the Jewish people feeling persecution, in an effort to divert Jewish people to Palestine instead. This goes back to the connection between European Antisemitism and Christian Zionism.

There Mandate was granted by the League of Nations to build a homeland for the Jewish people. From the 1940s on some Zionists started fighting the British directly, leading to them leaving the messy situation by 1948.

From Nur Masalha Ch 1 Pg 15-16

At the time the Balfour Declaration was issued, Jews constituted about 10 percent of the population of Palestine, and owned about 2 percent of the land. While Zionist land purchases remained relatively limited during the Mandate period (6 percent until 1948), Jewish immigration into Pales­ tine began eroding the immense numerical superiority of the Palestinians.32 Growing Arab awareness of Zionist aims in Palestine, reinforced by Zionist calls for unrestricted Jew­ ish immigration and unhindered transfer of Arab lands to exclusive Jewish control, triggered escalating protests and resistance that were eventually to culminate in the peasant- based great Arab Rebellion of 1936-39.

Already at the time of the Balfour Declaration, apprehen­ sions concerning the fate of the “non-Jewish communities’ had been voiced in British establishment circles. Edward Montagu, a Jewish cabinet minister at the India Office, had expressed in 1917 his belief that the Zionist drive to create a Jewish state in Palestine would end by “driving out the present inhabitants.”33 Even the enthusiastically pro-Zionist Winston Churchill had written in his review of Palestinian affairs dated 25 October 1919 that “there are the Jews, whom we are pledged to introduce into Palestine, and who take it for granted that the local population will be cleared out to suit their convenience."

A History of Modern Palestine Ch 3

By February 1947, Britain had had enough. It had more soldiers in Palestine than on the Indian subcontinent, and had been constantly involved in direct clashes with both political leaderships. The number of British casualties had also risen, mainly due to a terror campaign waged by Zionist extremists, the most notorious being the Stern Gang. This terror campaign peaked with the blowing up of British headquarters in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946. But it was not terror that forced the British out. A particularly bad winter in 1946–47, and a harsh American attitude towards Britain’s debt to the United States, created an economic crisis in Britain that served as an incentive for a limited process of decolonization, mainly in India and Palestine

The goal was a homeland for the Jewish people. Peaceful coexistence with the Arabs was a wish, but it turned out not be viable in practice. Expulsions from some areas were then considered a necessary evil for lack of other options.

Far from it

The UN partition plan from 1947, which was accepted by the Zionists and rejected by Arabs, would have meant zero expulsions

It would have meant the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians within the area defined as the "Jewish State"

Israel today has 20% of Arab citizens with full rights inside Israel proper of 1948. There was never a complete ethnic cleansing. Few Palestinians were forcibly removed from their homes, most fled.

Entirely false

The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

After the Nakba the Palestinians within now Israel that survived the ethnic cleansing were under the draconic Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations, which we're then practiced in the occupied territories instead after 1967. Even then, Arab Israelis continued to be second class citizens for many reasons including Education (2001 report)

This second class citizenship has only gotten worse.

You should have at least listed Benny Morris as well, so you could pretend to not be fully propagandized by one side. You didn't list Finkelstein, which is a plus I guess. But then you linked to propaganda rag mondoweiss.

Benny Morris considers Ethnic Cleansing justified, so if that's what you consider a balance to those who don't, that's quite telling.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

how Europe should have done during and after WWII

During the same decade Palestinians were displaced in 1948 and Jews were expelled from Muslim countries, millions (Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars, etc.) were displaced in Europe. Today their descendants aren't counted as refugees. Poles don't blow up buses in Lviv today. Neither do Germans shoot rockets into Czechia. People lost everything, built new lives, and got over it.

connection between European Antisemitism and Christian Zionism

That exists, but is an alliance of convenience, not friendship. Christian Antisemitism, failure of assimilation, and escalating persecution was the reason Zionism was established in the first place. Jews had to flee Europe or face extinction. Most had no choice but to go to their ancestral homeland.

The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

I was referring to how this happened in practice. Many Arab Palestinians had fled their homes before the fighting even started. The well off wanted to sit out the war in Beirut, Cairo, and Damascus. Arab radio had called for civilians to evacuate and wait at a safe place for the inevitable Arab victory. Most had left before Operation Nachshon started. Not every village or town was forcibly cleared. The news of one massacre or destroyed village spread fast and people understandably fled. Most villages that were destroyed, were destroyed after the war to prevent the refugees from returning.

Plan Dalet

Read the original text yourself, instead of relying on misrepresentation after the fact.

It would have meant the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians within the area defined as the “Jewish State”

You are so incredibly misinformed by only reading one sided narrative.

Here the original UN resolution 181. Page 138 Chapter 3.1

  1. Citiz1mship. Palestinian citizcns rcsiding in l'alestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citi- zenship reside in Palestine outside the City of Jeru- salem shall, upon the recognition of indepcndenc~, become citizcns of the State in which they are rcsi- dent and enjoy full civil and political rights. Per- sons over the age of eighteen years may opt, within one year from the date of recognition of indepen- dence of the State in which they reside, for citizen- ship of the other State, provicling that no Arab residing in the arca of the proposed Arab State shall have the right to opt for citizcnship in the proposed Jewish State and no Jew resicling in the proposcd Jewish State shall have the right to opt for citizen- ship in the proposed Arab State. The exercise of this right of option will be taken to include the wives and cliildren under eightccn years of age of persons so opting.

Arabs rcsiding in the arca of the proposed Jewish State and Jews residing in the area of the proposed Arab State who have signed a notice of intention to opt for citizcnship of the other State shall be cli- ~ble to vote in the clections to the Constituent As- sembly of that State, but not in the clections to the Constituent Assembly of the State in which they reside.

I highly recommend actually reading the UN resolutions and other documents as they are often misrepresented in the media by both sides.

second-class citizens

Yes, there's discrimination in Israel against Arabs. Similar to discrimination against minorities around the world.

Benny Morris considers Ethnic Cleansing justified

More like he sees it as inevitable. The Jews in Palestine were surrounded by numerically superior forces and feared being exterminated. They did what they had to to ensure their own survival.

balanced

Peace comes from mutual understanding of the other side.