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[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Ah --

... just sticking your toes in the water will somehow ever help you cross the English Channel, ...

Just doesn't, but you cannot cross the Channel without sticking your toes in it at all. I mean, unless you fly or take a boat or the Chunnel ... but if you're a good swimmer, it's free.

I'm looking at things like this through the lens of: There are people who want to start doing something. This is something. It's a start, for someone, maybe a lot - not an end.

I do think you were attempting to undermine my point with your whataboutism as if the state of my participation would somehow have any material impact on the substance of my argument,

I meant that as pointing out that not every effort is suitable for every person. People have to make their own decisions about what risks they are willing to take on, and I think that even a risk that's closer to inconvenience is better than nothing at all, that it can be the start of something more. More people, more efforts, over more time is the only chance of effecting real change.

We're probably on the same page that this particular thing for one day is going to have a very limited impact towards ousting fascism from the US or anywhere. Today isn't the end, and a lot of people have to start small. Let them start.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I’m looking at things like this through the lens of: There are people who want to start doing something. This is something. It’s a start, for someone, maybe a lot - not an end.

It's not though. It's the illusion of a start. Hell it doesn't even encourage collectivism because it is an entirely individual and isolationist protest. You make no connections, you further no interests, you do literally nothing aside from pat yourself on the back for participating in a viral trend.

Yes, no shit you can't cross the English Channel without getting your feet wet, but dipping your toes in from the shore is never swimming. That the two both take place on the beach does not make them equivalent.

My point remains that we gain nothing by coddling adults like children and telling them they're doing good works when they aren't. We're past playtime; this is grown up time. Either put on your big boy pants and come to the table or shut the fuck up because all you're (I'm speaking in generalities here, not about "you" personally) doing is muddying the waters and distracting from real efforts and making people feel like they're already doing the necessary actions that they just simply aren't.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If people want to pull in generally the same direction I want, I’m not going to discourage that. Present company included.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

I'm sorry, but this just feels naive to me. We aren't in a simple world with clearly defined teams and easily recognizable allies, and not every well-meaning idea towards progress is going to be a good one. We need to be able to discern viable action from not, and we need to remember that the actual opposition wants nothing more than for us to waste on our time on futile efforts so we're too fatigued to fight the real fight.

I'm sorry, but some of you need to more realistic and more pessimistic.