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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Firstly, "consideration" in this context means payment. It's standard contract law terminology. What that statement means is that Mozilla can't give data to a 3rd party in exchange for a payment (money or otherwise) from the 3rd party.

Mozilla should still be able to "share" data with no value exchange, or even pay a 3rd party to process the data in some way. In the latter case, Mozilla would be giving the data freely, on top of a transaction where Mozilla provides consideration in exchange for the 3rd party's service.

The only way, as I see it, that "valuable considerstion" towards Mozilla would occur is if the 3rd party were to give a discount on their service in exchange for the right to exploit the data. Or if Mozilla otherwise straight up sold the data.

[–] baggins 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Consideration does not have to just mean monetary payment

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think I said that? Consideration is any kind of payment, money or otherwise. The terminology of the law also says this, "monetary or other value consideration". A discount is not really giving money to someone, but it may be valuable consideration (if it is part of a broader deal - a shop shelf discount usually isn't).

[–] baggins 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's the first sentence on your post

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 hours ago

Consideration does not have to just mean monetary payment

Your statement implies there are other forms of payment than monetary.

Firstly, “consideration” in this context means payment.

My statement did not state monetary payments only, just payment generally. I clarified 2 sentences later with "in exchange for a payment (money or otherwise)". The point I'm making is that "consideration" is a payment in return for something else, and that payment can either be money or any other valuable item or service.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Ahh good ol Rossmann lol. I love him but I hate watching his videos, he goes far too ranty and repeats himself, it becomes hard to extract the real points.

Case in point, the video at your timestamp starts with an After-Before-Whatever rant before getting into any of the meat XD

I think everyone is really missing the points here. It isn't just bad PR, it's so bad that it can only be intentional. They didn't just claim rights and put them back, they removed their pledges to not sell data. The conversation isn't focused on the net result, the loss of the pledge, it's diluted elsewhere.

Maybe they're selling data to governments under law? I'm sure they already have terminology that permits them to do things legally required of them (so they don't need you to give them further rights), and the general process for the tech industry is to protest against such government interference up until the point a contract is negotiated where the government pays for access. In fact, I think this is generally what's happened with other businesses when their canary statements have gone away, as was revealed in the Snowden leaks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

he goes far too ranty and repeats himself, it becomes hard to extract the real points.

I think it holds entertainment value, but if you want to watch the video for informational purposes, yeah I agree :D

The conversation isn't focused on the net result, the loss of the pledge, it's focused elsewhere.

I stated my opinion about the statement here:

They should not have deleted that statement and just clarify it instead of their absolutely messy changes...

So like expand on it instead of deleting it...

Maybe it is kinda the same as when Google decided to get rid of the "don't be evil" statement...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Maybe it is kinda the same as when Google decided to get rid of the “don’t be evil” statement…

That was exactly what I was thinking of. Although I think there were even better examples with proper canary statements going away in line with the business' alleged joining of the PRISM program.