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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

I have a really stupid question. I don't play chess but how do you "detect" cheating from a good player?

Outside of the guy that had a butt plug, I'm confused on how you could know online whether someone is cheating or not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 minutes ago

In part it has to do with matching overly consistently with the moves engines would pick. Even the best players in the world perform worse than modern engines, not to mention you'd expect human players to vary at least sometimes by personal preference among roughly equivalent options.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

You must do the procedure.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

There are obvious patterns, like the time to make a move.

Additionally, chess engines make moves that don't really make sense to humans because they are making considerations hundreds of moves out, so if a player, through multiple games, consistently makes moves that are the best or close to the best engine moves, but don't really make sense, that pattern can be analyzed.

One fluke of a brilliant move that obviously doesn't mean anything. But if you are consistently playing 1000 moves ahead, that's obviously impossible.

Combine that with user reports to see what players to deeply analyze it can work well.

It helps to consider that computers are significantly better than humans at chess, so much so that they would say the best technical move is one that looks like a blunder to most players, including professionals.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Not a player either. My understanding is that there are a couple giveaways.

  1. AI play very differently than people. ~~The thinking* for AI is shortest term and it's my understanding that it's obvious to people that play.~~ See below.

  2. It's possible to look up optimal* moves based on the board state. I would imagine that they'll keep an eye on your browser/system to keep an eye out for such tools.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's the opposite, chess engines think so long term, that moves that look stupid to humans can often be the best technical move.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Oooooohhh. Ok. Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

Engines are slow in certain time controls and infinitely fast compared to classical. Gothamchess has beaten stockfish cheaters just by moving back and forth in a defensive posture causing cheaters to time out waiting for their move.